have you ever found out that your "buddies" from the kingdom hall went out to have fun and did not invite you?
if so how did you feel?.
I will never forget - we were invited over for dinner! Couldn't believe it. However, they received a phone call while we were there from another couple in the Hall and we were asked to leave, they had a better offer!! I would never do that to someone. It shows their lack of manners and did not care about our feelings.
Wow, that's low even for JW standards...
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jehovah's witnesses scripturally based position on child protection.
i am having trouble understanding paragraph 5. it says: .
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Jehovah's Witnesses Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection
I am having trouble understanding paragraph 5. It says:
"When elders learn of an accusation of child abuse, they immediately consult with the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses to ensure compliance with child abuse reporting laws. (Romans 13:1) Even if the elders have no legal duty to report an accusation to the authorities, the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses will instruct the elders to report the matter if a minor is still in danger of abuse or there is some other valid reason. Elders also ensure that the victim’s parents are informed of an accusation of child abuse. If the alleged abuser is one of the victim’s parents, the elders will inform the other parent."
So elders report abuse to the authorities, is that correct? Is this document a change we've been looking for? Or has everything stayed the same but outwardly paint a better picture?
so the wife was sick and stayed home from the meeting.
she tuned in through the phone so she could listen.
she had the phone on speaker and therefore i could overhear what was said.
It's just replacing the old KH Donate which was a third party company. With KH Donate you could electronically transfer money to your local congregations bank account and KH Donate would take a 3.6% transaction fee. For now, Watchtower is doing the same thing that KH Donate was doing but not charging a transaction fee... but like I said... for now.
For a lot of people in our congregation they donate the same amount every month, once a month, with a check. Some are actually happy about it because they have no other reason to carry checks with them. Everything is online, credit or debit card.
two witnesses came to my door the other day and i politely told them that i was not interested.
they told me that it was ok and that what they were handing out was not anything religious.
i told them sorry and that i was still not interested.
so our congregation is full of hardliner elders, 3 of them, who are not gentle, kind or loving.. people have either moved away or quit trying because one elder inparticular was going to drive them crazy with all his rules and nit picking and being righteous over much.
(and he is pissed that he hasn't been accepted to the school.
hmmm, i wonder why!).
@blondie SKE School for Kingdom Evangelizers, formerly called the School for Christian Couples.
I edited it to just say School. I think most people recognize that easier.
so our congregation is full of hardliner elders, 3 of them, who are not gentle, kind or loving.. people have either moved away or quit trying because one elder inparticular was going to drive them crazy with all his rules and nit picking and being righteous over much.
(and he is pissed that he hasn't been accepted to the school.
hmmm, i wonder why!).
So our congregation is full of hardliner elders, 3 of them, who are not gentle, kind or loving.
People have either moved away or quit trying because one elder inparticular was going to drive them crazy with all his rules and nit picking and being righteous over much. (And he is pissed that he hasn't been accepted to the School. Hmmm, I wonder why!)
Anyways, last year, an elder from California moved here to the Midwest who was one of the few that was humble, kind, and loving. He always showed compassion, gentleness, and commended the friends. That alone created a giant riff between him and the BOE. The body always wanted discipline and was rigid with laws vs principles. He always wanted forgiveness, and for the body to stay out of the personal family matters of the friends that did not concern them. He was soft with the friends, but he got into arguments and fights a few times with the body over the last year. He really went up to bat for the friends here.
Unfortunately, last week his teenage daughter was disfellowshipped. Now the congregation is devastated because they know that we might be losing him as an elder. Also, people are devastated over the disfellowshipping of a minor child, to say the least!
Some people, like myself, hope he can stay on as an elder. Others think he will be forced to step down or get deleted. (Which I'm afraid is going to be the case.) He's already had his parts reassigned to other elders. They won't even let him be the Sunday chairman for crying out loud!
What usually happens in a case like this? I asked a question and was scolded. They said the CO will decide when he is here next month.
Sad... sad... sad...
Why does the Watchtower shoot themselves in the foot like this? Just think if they let kind people serve and shelved the jerks...
hi.i am disfellowshipped and separated from my jehovahs witness wife and i am having custody problems with my 13 year old daughter.she has been advised by her mother that she does not have to listen to me and so she dictates to me when she comes to stay.it seems i have lost any fatherly authority and my ex wife has given my daughter the ability to go against my wishes in regards to custody arrangements.having grown up a witness i understand that even though a parent is disfellowshipped the child must still obey the biblical command to be obedient to there parents.it also teaches that the wife must support her ex husband in regards to parenting.i am trying to find any watchtower/awake articles that support this.in any case i would appreciate any links ,information or advice.. regards pat..
We just went through a similar experience, although not identical, this quote helped a lot.
*** g97 12/8 pp. 11-12 Child Custody—A Balanced View ***
What, though, if one of the parents is disfellowshipped? Should the Christian parent make the child available for visitation? The disfellowshipping process of the congregation only alters the spiritual relationship between the individual and the Christian congregation. In fact, it severs the spiritual bonds. But the parent-child relationship remains intact. The custodial parent must respect the disfellowshipped parent’s visitation rights. However, if the noncustodial parent poses an imminent and substantial threat to the child’s physical or emotional welfare, then the court (not the custodial parent) may arrange to have visitation with the child supervised by a third party.
the organization really has some talented people in it.
seriously talented.
artists, musicians, animators, and any other creative venue you can think of.
The organization really has some talented people in it. Seriously talented. Artists, musicians, animators, and any other creative venue you can think of. The issue is that anything that gets churned out of the Borg is devoid of any life or soul.
Why is that?
I have a friend who works at Patterson and she relayed that they have a list of things a mile long that they can and can't do within the art department. Meaning, if someone creates a picture and it looks great, it will just get torn apart when it goes to the "commitee" for approval. "This guy is standing wrong, too tall, too short, wrong facial expressions...etc". And the end result is something bland and boring and nothing like the original artist intended.
The same goes for the music. Lyrics aside, a lot of the MUSIC for the Kingdom Songs have major potential to sound great. Rather, Watchower scientists take each song and suck the very life and soul out of it. They chop off the balls of almost every. single. song... I love music, from pop to rock to classical to film score, I love music... but of the 153 songs or so... maybe only 5 of them are enjoyable to listen too.
They added more songs to the orchestral batch...most of them are just sampled and synthesized embarrassments...
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
I am currently a believer.
I see "evidence" of a creator... but not proof.
But I also see "evidence" of evolution... but not proof. (Evolution in itself DOES exist, but the idea that life sprang from a common ancestor and evolved into what we know today, without the help of a so-called creator, is what I'm talking about. Lot's of evidence... it's not just undeniable proof. It's all to easy for me to say "God did it.")
It just takes a lot of reading, studying, critical thinking, and pondering. But like you... I just can't imagine that this life is all there is. Even if the "afterlife" is a fairy tale... it currently brings me comfort.
But it is VERY interesting to listen to all the different view points. Even if you don't agree with what is being said, it might intrigue you enough to do some research on said disagreement and form your own opinion.
Welcome, by the way!
i was stalking to a jw today about her recent experience on the carts and with being a jw generally.
until this conversation i considered the carts as just an ineffective preaching method and a harmless waste of time.
but now i wonder if the effect of the carts might be to produce noticeable decline in jw numbers.
I agree with the decreased morale for sure!
When it first started in our congregation, everyone was excited and wanted to do it. Selfies and pics all over Instagram! Well, time and time again of 0 results ... it's like pulling teeth now to get someone to do cart witnessing because the friends don't enjoy it anymore.
