Posts by Dagney

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If you started an organisation (related to exposing the Watchtower, helping Jw's who are disfellowshipped, or any other worthy cause).. What would it be called and what would you aim to achieve?

by The Quiet One in

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Dagney

I like it too! Good one.

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

Dagney

I've been thinking about all this.

First of all, I too think it's a good idea to have some sort of organization that represents the the values of the exJW around the world. JWN has accomplished much as far as providing a place for people to read and research, and maybe meet others, but I see need for something more.

On my FB feed today was a post by one of the members of AAWA. He, like 99% of the us, has a sad story resulting from the shunning policy that the WBTS enforces. I read about 30 comments of others, with snippets into their stories as well. I also read the anger and frustration at the responses here at JWN toward AAWA. I'm not sure they understand this thread, and the violation of the privacy issue from the last week. Most of them don't read here, and stated that they wanted to read about what they were hearing regarding the lack of support for AAWA. And, well, I get it now.

AAWA is giving them an avenue to do SOMETHING other than posting on a DB board. And it makes them excited and feel good. I get it. I saw it through their eyes and I had an "Aha" moment. It appears the board members are truly busy getting things started there. And remember, they are spread out all over the world.

What happened with the FB groups is appalling as far as I'm concerned, and my opinion has not changed. The people added should be notified in the very least, if they are not going to remove the page. That is a serious breach of trust. I think the original set up of the FB page was not done malicously; whoever did it didn't understand all that was involved. The resistence to make it right was surprising. Yes, it is probably fixed now as far as visibility, but by the comments made here they show they still don't get it. That is dissappointing, because I assume the majority of the members of the board voted to leave it as is. But that is their business, I run my business differently. If you are going to use social media, or any media for that matter, I hope they have good counsel and carry liability insurance.

I took a little time to look at the 4 FB exJW groups that I joined. I seriously never go to the pages; I check FB to see family and friends and recipes mostly. I could see on each of the groups different boxes, some could add others to the group, some you had to email, some you clicked a box and a admin or mod would add you, which I actually did today with a new group, not AAWA. I am guessing perhaps one of the reasons AAWA is leaving the 1300 group added members is so maybe they can see the activity they are doing and will participate. Again, just a guess. The comments of "our numbers are growing by leaps and bounds" when they were manually added, well, that doesn't add to the credibility of what they will say in the future.

The information regarding the corporation, ai yi yi. Boy, in this day and age I sure hope everything was done above board. I work for a "worldly" company and we don't take a ***t without consulting an attorney to make sure we comply with every law and regulation of the land. So, I wonder what will happen there.

Lastly, I think AAWA is going to grow and be just fine. I recognize there are many people who want to do something, have their voices heard against the WBTS. It is not simple to run a successful business. Mistakes are always made...you just try to make fewer smaller ones. They may not think so, but this FB debaucle was a valuable lesson.

Tylinbrando, congratulations and kudos for your efforts in getting that slimebag behind bars. Well done.

The end.

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Comedian Jonathan Winters Died Yesterday at 87

by BizzyBee in

always loved his comedy - very inventive.

in his later years, he was a fixture around town.

he'd hang out (sometimes in front of the market, or at an executive services office in the village) and do comedy routines and banter with anyone who came by.. .

Dagney

RIP Jonathan

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

Dagney

Oh thank you Mr. Flipper, but I'm fine. I was off by 4/8. I'm not sure who saw what in my feed, but I haven't heard a thing. Although I wondered if my old BS had seen "Anti-Watchtower Activist" in my feed or however it works and was mad at me because I didn't hear from her until today. But she was moving. rebel8 is the one that was outed, and I hope that can be repaired.

My former bible student has her pinky toe still in the org, but she doesn't like to rag on the WTBS. She still has friends inside. But I want them to be drawn to the groups I'm in and not get weirded out by a title they may find offensive. There are friends who have wives and children who are still in. It may not work that way, but that's what I think. And even though it's been implied by several during this debaucle, that nobody is doing anything about helping people out of the WT but AAWA, that is not true. Why even make such a statement?

Nice talking with you on Sunday.

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

Dagney

Dagney, It sounds like you're talking about the FB "Fan Page". They are the only pages that have the "like" feature...button, and yes, if it's been "liked" you will see the news feed on your profile and everyone else will see you "liked" that page on the news feed.
But what's interesting is that you didn't press the "like" button, but it happened anyway, then you "un liked" is that correct?

That is correct.

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

Dagney

She is also the one who was defensive when Dagney and others confronted her about being added with consent. She is the one who said "What, are we supposed to PM 1,000 people and invite them? That's too much work!"

fizzy, I did not post on their site. What happened was there was a newsfeed where Bo posted. I thought, "oh, that must be the new group." I followed the link and of course was on the timeline. That is where I saw the conversation. I did NOT realize I was a member. I just followed a link, like I do every day for recipes/design/whatever.

It sort of bothered me what was said. It wasn't until the next day I noticed at the top of the timeline I saw "Liked," and then "Unfriend" did I realize I was in the same boat as rebel8.

Edited to add: Then I immediately removed myself.

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

Dagney

REad it and weep Mrs. Jones...read it and weep.

Remember when I told you to not be added was a GOOD thing? This is why.

Beer, cake...I need something...lol.

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

Dagney

I just got a message from another exJW who read this thread. She gave me another name. She saw the group add in time and was able to block it on FB.

Again, it appears it was not a secret group at least in the beginning. If it was changed after the **** hit the fan, then just say so! Tell the truth so we can regain trust in our fellow exJW's involved with this.

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

Dagney

Here is what rebel8 (sorry reb) said in the original AAWA announcement thread (sorry didn't grab the page#):

One request--it's not nice to add your Facebook friends to groups without their permission. I got added and outed.
If the groups was secret as cantleave/AAWA is saying, how did this happen.
See here's the thing...I think everyone wants to trust and believe what AAWA is saying. The problem is, the things that are said don't add up. I just want the truth.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM AAWA!! It's not right/good business to add people without their permission! You think it is okay, but we are telling you it is not!
(I need chocolate cake.)

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

Dagney

Some of those who joined added their friends. If those friends are already friends with EX-JW's who are active on EX-JW sites are they not already putting themselves at risk?

cantleave, it is my understanding from Juan, that if you were in a FB group, someone else in that same group could add your without you knowing to the AAWA group. They didn't have to be a FB "friend."

Again, people were outed. That is a bad thing. I was added without my choosing, to me that is a bad thing and a good thing for AAWA.