here's an interesting website with a collection of recorded talks by many of the 'historic' people in the wt organization.
i only listened to one, by ah macmillan, from about 1960 or so, but there are many to choose from.
i can't imagine where they got a hold of these.. http://da-ip.getmyip.com:8080/pdf/other%20talks/.
Wow that is an amazing collection! Many familiar names. Dave Ianelli, writing committee, was a very good speaker and seemed very sensitive to the flock's needs. A few of his talks morphed into WT articles. I was amazed how the WT could destroy a very sincere, helpful talk into standard WT crap.
Anyway...this list is walk down memory lane. Thank you for sharing.
... a riot, i predict a riot !
(great song).
the republican party allowed themselves to be taken over.
I was listening to the ghostwriter who worked with Trump on one of his biographies. He said Trump has such bad ADD he could not focus for more than 2-3 minutes even when talking about himself! He said that is a scary behavior when going into an office that is going to require focus and decision making.
He's a joke. Embarrassing for this country. But he will not let go. He is going to make somebody pay for the attacks on his thin skin.
... a riot, i predict a riot !
(great song).
the republican party allowed themselves to be taken over.
Simon - I just read this article that might answer your question.
from the january 2017 watchtower:.
first paragraph reads: when faced with making a personal choice, one woman told a friend: “do not make me think; just tell me what to do.
that is easier.” the woman preferred being told what to do instead of using a precious gift from her creator, the gift of free will.
It's "or else" will.
well how's it going round your way?
massive increase of interested ones?
did you even know it was supposed to be happening?
Smoke and mirrors. Gotta give the peeps that show up a mission, a reason for JW's to be relevant. The WT knows growth is impossible in this day and age. Maybe the faithful know it too, hence the low energy preaching work. T
if he get pass this, america deserve him...... conversation 10 years ago..
I don't think it will make a difference to most of his supporters.
They don't care if he stiffs small businesses and routinely doesn't pay for services he receives.
They don't care if he lies to investors so they will fund more money into his flailing businesses so he can divert it to other businesses while they lose their investments.
They don't care that he forced his bankers to WO his debt to them so they could be part of the new ventures. We've all paid for Donald's wealth.
The woman thing...they will easily excuse. I wonder how long before Melania takes a hike. 5 years when the son is older?
hi guys.. im aware of the orgs blatant hints to donate, donate, donate to the org, the sacking of bethel staff, selling of buildings, reducing mags and books, emphasis on digital rather than physical books etc which is obviously a money saver - but are the wt org in money difficulty?
because elsewhere on here and on youtube there's stories of the watchtower being mega rich, one even called it "a billion dollar organization".
and if there is any money in there, who's benefiting off it?
I think their coffers are full at the moment. But they saw the writing on the wall years ago. They know there is only so much income they can count on going forward. They tied that one up nicely with the congregation monthly tithe. They cut the out flow of cash by cutting various full time positions (missionaries/special pioneers/DO's etc.) throughout the world and reducing staff at the Bethels. They cut expenses all around by modernizing...especially reducing the ridiculous amount of printing they used to do. They are streamlining their properties for the best monetary reasons. No matter what you might think, they are not concerned about growth or how these changes affect the faithful. They know the real numbers. The whole world knows the numbers...they have the worse retention for born ins. That won't change and the old timers are dying off. They know their day in the sun is over...there will be no significant growth. They will retain the ones who need them, who need a high control/cult to help them live.
They are developing their own in house attorneys I'm sure to help defer outgoing legals costs for the ongoing court cases. Having to pay out big bucks in court cases will be their biggest expense. I hope the hits keep coming. They need to pay for their negligence.
i have not been active here lately just lurking mostly but i have no one to talk to and i need some help i guess.i started working out and became friends with my personal trainer(we went to school together).i started going out with him(lying to my mother about what i was doing,another thing to add to the list of lies,it's becoming too easy!
) and i notice i'm slowly becoming the worldy people that the jw's described.i've become very selfish and rude and very apathetic towards everything and everyone.i always thought the values that jw's taught were really good.if i cut ties with the only friend i have now , i would probably slip into a deep depression and i that is something that i want to avoid at all costs.i start university in january and my plan was to stick it out in the organisation until i got my degree and became fully independant but as of late a elder told me i am being considered to become a m.s and told me what i need to work on and since then the other elders have been nagging me to work on the same things.i'm trying to rid my self of my 'priveleges' in the cong but nothings working...if anyone has experienced a similar situation what advice would you give?
, oh and my mom was always super into the religion having been a pioneer and bethel worker for years but we went to the regional convention two weeks ago and now she is even more exasperating (for example a sister asked my why i was 19 years old and not a ms or serving at bethel yet, which is fine i've learnt how to deal with these questions but when i told my mother whom has always been content with me just being in the religion and never pushed me towards anything asked me if i was happy with what i was and if i would not be happier at bethel or regular pioneering.
People will always say and ask insensitive questions, and parents are trying to do right by their kids. Some are worse than others, but they mostly are trying to help you have a successful life...even if it means being in a cult.
The advice here is good. You need to explore the world and find out what is best for you. It is not hard. You are making it hard. Like Nike says...just do it!
i think all of us on this forum would like to welcome all the newbies that have joined in the last six months or so ,if i`m not mistaken there seems to be an influx lately.. elders , ms ,and sisters.
speak up and make a comment , are you happy you came here ?.
we`d love to here from you.. smiddy.
Welcome! And so nice to see you all here. It takes a lot of courage to take this road against what seems to be an impossible choice of losing everything and everyone you know. Once you experience the joy of freedom of thought, it will greatly make up for most of what is lost. We promise. Especially those of you that have children. You are giving them the greatest gift ever, and that is the freedom for them to grow up and explore to be the person they should be.
does this group ever get together for meet and greet's anymore?.
~jean.
I've been to quite a few, Toronto, Tahoe and local ones. A new group just started up in North County San Diego area and they just had a meetup last Saturday. My first was in the LA area by a young woman who left and was on her own; she ran it for a number of years. It wasn't a large group but different people came from all over.
Another friend started one up in the Salt Lake City area.
Just the best thing ever is to meet people that understand what we all are going through.
