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  If 1914 gets tossed

  by Leathercrop in

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  it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

  the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

  even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

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  Dagney

  I think most doctrine and wild calculations divided by pi times 3 1/2 years will be things mentioned from the platform in talks by HQ. I don't see where they are directing the flock to know all the stuff we had to know in the past. Now they point people to the dot.org for any questions and they basically are promoting fluff. I don't most could even explain some sort of numerical hopscotch like we used to do.
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  Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. beliefs

  i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

  he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

  we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

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  Dagney

  My mom told me that as a little girl I lined up my dolls in chairs and played "meeting." She said I scolded the mute dolls to behave and be quiet. I then would take them out to spank, with the doll voice boxes yelping with each strike, scolding them to be good. She said it was very revealing to her because that is obviously what I was taking in from and mimicking from the hall, and it was not a good thing.

  I was not treated that way to be clear. I'd get a thump or a short hair pull to get my attention.

  Edited to add: WT may feel they are so clever with their use of weasel words, but are not fooling anybody but their own followers. Their insistence to protect perps instead of victims, (and in fact in most cases victim blame), fools no one. Legal issues always need to be sorted based on evidence presented, but they can't hide who they really are and what their motivation (protecting the corporation) behind their silver bibles and weaselly ways.
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  The FDS Photoshop

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those interested in the latest version of the faithful slave.

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  from the february 2024 watchtower .

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  Dagney

  Where are their Ipads?
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  Is There Going to be Money in the New System?

  by NotFormer in

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  if not, what's in it for the gb?.

  but seriously, how is it supposed to work?

  pictures of jws in paradise show them raising crops, wearing clothes and building houses.

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  Dagney

  Paradise doesn't work, unless you are I Dream of Jeannie.
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  Missing WT's on JW Org

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i browse jw org, the following years of watchtower magazines are missing from the drop-down menu:.

  1987 - 1990.

  1997-1998.. i dont want to install any libraries from jw org because of spyware concerns.. are these years included in the downloadable libraries?.

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  Dagney

  Well well well...a publishing company removing its publishings. Quelle surprise!
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  Former Jehovah's Witness admits: We targeted grief-stricken as 'ripe fruit'

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/former-jehovahs-witness-admits-we-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit.

  jehovah's witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.. vince and michele tylor​ spoke out after reading the story of wellington woman jean sergent-shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a jehovah's witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.. a current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative.

  however, he concedes such people may feel guided by jehovah's witness literature.. but vince tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.. "not only do we see watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for jws to go to cemeteries to look for people as well.".

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  Dagney

  In my experience with death and their loved ones, (which is way too many right now), most people believe that there is a hereafter. What they are dealing with is the grief/sadness of losing the loved one.

  The purpose of the JW contact in these instances is to (1.) count time, (2.) to make sure the grieving ones get the correct information about where their dead ones are.

  We had a sudden and horrific death in our family which had tons of local and national media attention as well as politicians and with many communities. We experienced such an outpouring of support and love, it was unbelievable. The mother of someone involved in the incident was a JW. Her only contact was to send scriptures and tracts. I believe she was sincere in her concern, but equally entitled to get her JW message to us. It's just so different from the hundreds who wanted to just comfort, most believing our person was in heaven and around us.

  It's the disconnect JW's have that continues to astound me.
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  Former Jehovah's Witness admits: We targeted grief-stricken as 'ripe fruit'

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/former-jehovahs-witness-admits-we-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit.

  jehovah's witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.. vince and michele tylor​ spoke out after reading the story of wellington woman jean sergent-shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a jehovah's witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.. a current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative.

  however, he concedes such people may feel guided by jehovah's witness literature.. but vince tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.. "not only do we see watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for jws to go to cemeteries to look for people as well.".

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  Dagney

  In the territory of my old hall was a very large cemetery, Forest Lawn. You better believe those pioneers worked it, and they loved it.
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  A Coin With a Remarkable History

  by cofty in

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  2. physical

  over the years i have shared a few examples of objects i have found while metal detecting near my home in northumberland in ne england.

  i live in a rural estate that was the site of a medieval village with a manor house and defensive tower.

  many of the things i find illustrate the amazing history of the location.

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  Dagney

  Really interesting! I remember years ago when you shared your finds.
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  Thought on “0 hours” reporting

  by FFGhost in

  1. watchtower
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  so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

  beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

  the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

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  Dagney

  I don’t believe the corporation cares at all about the R & F at any personal level, only at the grand total of “active” they can use for their charity status.

  As the source of qualified men diminish, they will prob revisit the body of elders model. They already have alternative ways of handling matters when needed. Canned programming is already in place for meetings whether in person or by zoom and fewer men are needed. Is there still a ministry school? I’m so out of touch. They can just have an online course at the org, since D2D is no longer important.

  I wonder what some elder and full time servants, and pioneers think. Does any of it matter anymore? The business model, and it is a business first, will evolve to preserve the corporation.
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  Interesting story in todays New York Times that gives some insight into the religious soup of the 1800s that Watchtower arose from.

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  todays nyt.

  fascinating read and background of new york state in the 1800s.

  this community welcomes mediums, but first you have to prove yourself.

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  Dagney

  I didn’t think of that. But it was all happening at the same time. Makes sense…always looking for the special revelation of future and past.

  I saw the below film a few years ago

  HBO Documentary Films: No One Dies in Lily Dale Trailer (HBO) - YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jquQCesQ-yI