Posts by Dagney

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It’s started 🤦‍♀️

by MissDaSilva in

jw
friends

i already have a friend who is trying to tell me that my mental health is causing my disillusionment with the jehovah’s witnesses.

funny that a mental health therapist has told me my mental health issues are caused by being a jehovah’s witness.

i’m still not going back.

The first few years I was out it was nerve wracking. I didn't return elder phone calls, I didn't answer the door...I was prepared to be confronted with the doorstep questions. I had an elderly JW mother I looked after that was the foremost concern of mine not to give her more agita by being df'd. I was ready to fight legally on that one.

It's funny/not funny what type of pressure tactics "friends" will use...but it gets better. When you don't engage they tend to move on, except for Memorial etc.

The struggle is worth it. Freedom is worth it. Best to you!

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No Divine protection for Jehovah's Witnesses' gatherings. JW Death toll rises around the world.

by Balaamsass2 in

growing up as a jw in the 1960s and 1970s, a common refrain from the yearbook, local elders and circuit overseers was how jws were protected at meetings, conventions, and in the field service by "the angels".

experiences of "divine intervention" during service, ww2, in communist lands, and conventions were common.

the internet and google are regularly debunking this myth in the 21st century.

Dagney

They use it both ways.

If no lives were lost, then it's Jah's protection.

If lives lost, it's Satan attacking, and time and unforeseen occurrence.

It's all spin to keep the flock believing both.

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No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

by Sea Breeze in

those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

- the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

Dagney

Hi Sea Breeze - me too. I always thought deep down inside it was all made up BS, but when that Watchtower came out, I knew it really was fo sho. It took me a few more years to leave, but I did a lot of research on my own before I did. I brought my New Jerusalem bible to the meetings after that. Read all scriptures in context referenced from the platform.

Yes they would have just a sentence in a paragraph like the one quoted above, (which makes no sense BTW, and that's why most just pass over it), that would speak of an instantaneous gathering of their heavenly bound. You can't just ignore those scriptures and take only other verses edited to fit your dogma. Lol I mean well WTBS can and do.

Their math just doesn't add up. Take the martyrs and ancients, add them to the WTBS claimed anointed number, (remember they stopped reporting the numbers some time in the 70's), and it far exceeds their 144K. Just do the math. They are just making it up as they go along.

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We’re getting out.

by MissDaSilva in

jw
friends

been in for 20 plus years but decided to get out with my son.

can’t do this anymore.

never seen such hypocrisy and clickyness anywhere else.

Dagney

Good for you and for your son! You won't regret it! There will be ups and downs especially if you have family still in. But the effort is worth it to have your freedom to live the life you want.

Welcome to the dark side...we have cookies.

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No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

by Sea Breeze in

those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

- the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

Dagney

The "rapture" wording has been in the literature for years. I think at least since 1995 and the generation change.

Just nobody talks about it. I brought it up to an elder and he just shrugged his shoulders.

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If 1914 gets tossed

by Leathercrop in

it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

Dagney

I think most doctrine and wild calculations divided by pi times 3 1/2 years will be things mentioned from the platform in talks by HQ. I don't see where they are directing the flock to know all the stuff we had to know in the past. Now they point people to the dot.org for any questions and they basically are promoting fluff. I don't most could even explain some sort of numerical hopscotch like we used to do.

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Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

Dagney

My mom told me that as a little girl I lined up my dolls in chairs and played "meeting." She said I scolded the mute dolls to behave and be quiet. I then would take them out to spank, with the doll voice boxes yelping with each strike, scolding them to be good. She said it was very revealing to her because that is obviously what I was taking in from and mimicking from the hall, and it was not a good thing.

I was not treated that way to be clear. I'd get a thump or a short hair pull to get my attention.

Edited to add: WT may feel they are so clever with their use of weasel words, but are not fooling anybody but their own followers. Their insistence to protect perps instead of victims, (and in fact in most cases victim blame), fools no one. Legal issues always need to be sorted based on evidence presented, but they can't hide who they really are and what their motivation (protecting the corporation) behind their silver bibles and weaselly ways.

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