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Posts by Dagney
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14Germany start a comission against child-abuse
by crazy_flickering_light inif you live in germany, please share your story.
if not, please spread this link.
i'm so sorry, this is my first topic.
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Waking People Up With Well Thought Out Comments
by JW_Rogue inis it possible to have an effect from the inside?
with well thought comments that reveal more of the history of the organization?
the next book we study will be "god's kingdom rules!
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Dagney
Everybody has been in your shoes, most all our families and social network are die hard JW's. We all know the costs of staying and leaving.
We all want our loved ones to see the TTATT. In the end, the only thing that matters is how we each choose to live our life, and believe me, seeing those years tick away leading a double life will not add comfort or satisfaction to a life lived.
Staying in and planting subversive comments has been considered by many, I'm not sure, but the success rate is probably really low. Some have successfully got their mates out, but the plan was carefully orchestrated. And from the ones I know personally, the believing mate was secure enough and respectful enough of their mate to not throw them under the bus. What is impressive about anybody is confidence, strength and courage to live your life fully. That is a huge statement to those who are in, even though they make take the hard line against you. You will be a curiousity as they become resentful as they trudge to the meetings and SA/RC/CA, and FS. Living well, keeping your wits about you, keeping them curious may keep the lines of communication open.
When I left I said "I have issues with the corporation." "It's between me and Jehovah." Nobody wanted to know, nobody asked more, except my elder/COBE brother...he was the only one.
My suggestion is to say very little. A well worded comment, (see On the Way Out's journey...he has really well thought out comments), can buy some peace. BTW, how you answered your wife was perfect... Take this time to be the best person you can be...have fun alone and with them.
The WT has convinced everybody they have no right to live an authentic life, and they are wrong. They don't care about anybody...their existence is to keep the corporation going at any expense. Every minute we give to them eats away at our true self...and the only way to help others see that is to claim your true self. Don't sacrifice it to the cult.
This journey is hard and it sucks. But the feeling of being true to yourself is glorious. I wish you strength for the journey.
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Were you beaten as a child?
by purrpurr ini've been confronting my mother with her dubious parenting skills (abuse) of me as a child.
particularly the beatings i would get with the wooden spoon.
not a light smack but hitting me as hard as she could for as long as she could.
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Dagney
My mother would tell the story of me lining up my dolls to play meeting. She observed me angrily jerking them out of the seat and beating the heck out of them. She was taken aback as that was what I was copying from the meetings. She said it was sobering.
My heart goes out to all of those kids, who now are grown, but still bear the marks.
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Watchtower Lawyer speaking in US Congres commission - picture
by Gorbatchov inmaybe not relevant today, just sharing one of my archive storage, this picture of jw.org lawyer philip brumley, in a joint project with scientology and other religions in 2006.. the picture was published on a scientology website, mentioning the joint project with jw.org .
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Dagney
Warms my heart to see them seated at the same table with the Scientologists. May they have many joint ventures together for their mutual benefit.
I hate this religion.
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Awake no.3 praises Dr. Semmelweiss for discovering disease-causing germs
by Anders Andersen inin awake!
3 2016, an article on dr. semmelweis states:.
semmelweis was eventually recognized as one of the fathers of the modern antiseptic technique.
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Dagney
Ha ha, nice one Anders.
Edited to add:
My parents came in during the late 1930's. So WT opinion about vaccines, aluminum, chiropractors etc. was part of my growing up. In some ways, my parents were very health conscious from a "natural" standpoint. The doctor at my birth was a JW MD and a chiropractor, pretty well known in the LA area. I had asthma as a child, and my mother pursued natural ways of helping me through attacks. I'm grateful for especially my mother being so health conscious.
In retrospect, I'm glad nothing like polio or other serious diseases hit our family, because who knows what they would have done. Honestly, scary to think about it now. I had two nonJW uncles that were doctors, one was SDA. They finally let my uncle give my my first penicillin shot when I was about 10.
It's that blind faith in an organization that has no respect for science that is so scary. They kill people.
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Dagney
Wow.
The message is the same though...even though it is a glitzy production with handsome people. Fear and intimidation at its best.
A friend met up with some JW's recently and it was still so surprising the belief was so strong that "it's soooo close!." One weird comment was hoping "Trump" was elected because for sure he will kick off Armageddon. And Oh Lordy...they will soon be in paradise with their pet tiger.
I guess I would say the same if I was in...so strange to hear it once you are out.
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Dagney
I was there in February 2007, (even though I was out, long story), and those were the most unhappy construction workers I have ever seen at Bethel. A couple were complaining to the front desk about it, and how long they have been there...and how they had nothing to go back to... It was the most dreary place, understandably.
I believe the 107 had that dorm type arrangement. They were combining the rooms and installing bathrooms and kitchenette areas to make it more saleable. They absolutely knew what was happening.
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Waking up - introduction
by Dreamerdude ini am a male, born into the jw cult(ure), baptized as a teen, now mid fifties.
most of my life i dreamed of hugging pandas and lions, punctuated at times by nightmares of armageddon or jw drama and politics.
still going through the motions for still-in wife.
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Dagney
Welcome Dreamerdude!
The mere fact your wife heard the ARC is big. She can't un-hear what she has heard. Hopefully sooner rather than later her observations of what she is hanging on to, the paradise, will show to her how inconceivable it really is. It's hard to let go of that dream...but it really is a crazy dream when you really stop and think about it.
All the best.
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Hello
by WITNESS-FOR-WATCHTOWER-REFORM injust to say a big hello.
i have been reading this site for some time now and have been very unhappy with some of the things emanating from watchtower head quarters in new york.
the final straw for me is the upcoming watchtower study this weekend encouraging us to shun our own family members (our own mothers if need be) if they are disfellowshipped....a step too far for my liking.
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Dagney
Hello and welcome WFWR!
The WT is quite cruel when it comes to those who are out, by choice or otherwise. It all about punishing, the old testament sort...everyone must be punished for one thing or another.
Good luck with your correspondence and look forward to hearing more about it.
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PRINCE's Playlist (Only for the curious)
by Terry ini'm so old, i can remember when these things were called mix tapes!https://drive.google.com/folderview?.
i've compiled the above into .mp3 below:.
id=0b6a8sp5_psf-mfrys0lxcvracwm&usp=sharing.
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Dagney
That is one great playlist. Wow.