Posts by FuzzyPaul

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Way to go France !

by 5go in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_groups_referred_to_as_cults_in_government_reports.

list of groups referred to as cults in government reports .

[edit]french parliamentary commission report (1995)for more details on this topic, see parliamentary commission on cults in france.in france in 1995, a parliamentary commission of the national assembly of france on cults produced its report[4] (in french: compare an unofficial english translation).

FuzzyPaul

The government of France has different reasons for being interested in defining and listing cults than the FBI in the USA it seems. That doesn't mean that a particular cult is any less bad or notorious. The Watchtower is certainly notorious. The WTBTS is a heavy handed group of un-educated power mongers led by fictions.

And has anyone else ever noticed that there is NO “Watchtower” in scripture as part of any particular teaching but THERE IS prominent use of “Watchtower” in Dungeons and Dragons type games and forms of Witchcraft including spells involving “Watchtower”? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchtower_%28magic%29

And MSN search for “Watchtower” alone & with “Magic Spell” or “Occult” or “Witchcraft”. CT Russell was a 33 rd degree freemason ( Illuminati) nutcase who read books by guys that measured the lengths of the halls in pyramids to foretell the future by. He would have done as well casting dried bones about. The Illuminati are a real group that was founded on May 1 1776, so I read, and wrote books and essays on their goals of a “one world government” the “New World Order”. There is no “New World” in the Bible - thus the Watchtower bible’s name “New World Translation” isn’t based on the Bible passage relating the good news of “New Heavens and a New Earth”. “World” isn’t synonymous with “Heaven” or “Earth” in scripture. “New World” is an abomination scripturally speaking.

Note: "Conspiracy Theory" is a term intended to intimidate. Conspiracies exist or Congress wouldn't pass legislation defining and forbidding them! A conspiracy does not have to meet the terms found in any particular legislation to be such of course! Soooo, when you hear or read these words: "Huh, another Free-mason, Illuminati, New-World Order Conspiracy Theorist", remember that person is purposefully or inadvertently helping said conspiracies. And the definition of a theory is not the same as the definition of a hypothesis. A theory is a statement which has reasons and data SUPPORTING a hypothesis. Theorists have valid information. A theorist thus has more proof for an idea than say - many articles of "faith" have.

Regards,

Paul

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Invisible Armeggedon??!!!

by Gretchen956 in

ok, in reading another thread, i came across this:.

i'll never understand why i let them convince me that something so visible as "armageddon" happened "invisibly"?

when did this happen?

FuzzyPaul

Greetings,

Why are so many people living with a flashlight shining in their eyes? Looks bright but one sees nothing else. Proximity. Move back and think…. WHAT IF I QUESTIONED E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G THE WATCHTOWER EVER TAUGHT ME INCLUDING STUFF THEY PIRATED AND PLAGIARISED FROM “NOMINAL” CHRISTIANITY?

I must get to the point. If you want to read my rant first its marked below!

The Bible was written for everyone. The Bible’s teaching is to read it. Whoa. But what if serious doubt was made as to what it really means AND a sufficient number of confusing ideas were in place so that one was already ‘put into a hole that she must first dig herself out of just to get back to level ground’?

Hmmm…. ARMAGEDDON IS A PLACE. Revelation 16:16 “Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.”

Har = mountain (No “H” sound in Gk ’A = ha) NOT hill, tell, plain (of Esdraelon) and Magadan is a town which in Jesus day was known as Magdala - Mary Magdalene was from Magdala. Today the town is called Mejdel and is on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee (Lake Tiberius). There are high mountains on the western side of Lake Tiberius. SO-OOOOO…. The place is called in Hebrew “Mountain of Magadan“. It is a real place. Not a hocus-pocus “symbolically named” place which is an event in a place which doesn’t fit the description which isn’t a place but another “clear teaching of Scripture” that doesn’t mean what it says - clearly.

It doesn’t matter what the name of Megiddo means or what happened there or how many millions of words are written to support that or other hypotheses that equate to “Nothing is what it seems to be” - so follow us the “Illuminated ONES”

See the older and slightly more trustworthy “Aid To Bible Understanding” page 1092 edited in large measure by Raymond Franz. He’s OK with me even if he still has some bigotry evident in his ideas.

AND, THE EVENT IS CALLED: “The battle on the great day of God Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14)

Imagine “The Bible can be an open book for you”!

The arm of God is not too short so that it can not save us. God’s Spirit is not too weak that it can not lead someone who is honest. God’s spirit doesn’t discriminate against people as elitist religionists say it does - leading only them - The “Illuminated ONES”.

-MY RANT-

The Bible was written so that anyone (with sufficient capacity and ability) could read it and understand God and his will. It would be the utmost unkindness for The Almighty to have ideas penned and saved for millennia which are found to confuse and mis-guide. That would make the words of God hidden - “occult” means hidden. Thus the Watchtower and other elitist religionists are determined to transform the clear and generally understandable meanings of God’s word into convoluted ideas that take pages of twists and turns of words, ideas, and Scriptural excerpts to explain. This then turns the Bible into an occult book of hidden meanings where nothing is what it seems to be. That is not the same as ones not knowing geography and topography and ancient language meanings or ancient cultural ideas. Those types of ignorance (ignorance means one doesn't know not that one isn't capable of knowing and isn't a derogatory term properly used) are matters for dictionaries and encyclopedias NOT pseudo-Christian publications that are called "letters from Jehovah" this year and next year are shelved as "old light".

“Let the reader use discernment” is a phrase found in scripture and means - Let the R-E-A-D-E-R use HER / HIS very own discernment.

The WT (et. al.) operate a monopoly on ideas. They constantly push the “friends” to memorize the current Watchtower doctrine of the semi-monthly club edition. This overwhelms those who follow the WT. How much time and mental energy does the average working stiff have after he does his 8am to 5:30pm, commutes home to then eat, shit, shave, shower, shampoo, dress UP and go out again in the car to his late night meetings 7:30 to 9:30? Besides - I notice how the Watchtower uses one of the methods of mind control involving sleep deprivation. A tired mind is susceptible to absorbing ideas without challenging them. (Challenging ideas of the Watchtower is forbidden to a follower anyway.) Those hours are required of parents with young children which young children ought to be in bed at 7:30pm. Even older children ought to be winding down and heading for sleep during those hours. (I said “ought” since I am referring to proper sleep hygiene - not what happens usually.) I have heard of several instances of young, new Watchtower headquarters (Brooklyn Bethel) staff working double shifts - usually on printing presses. 16 hours a day of work plus meetings, meals, personal hygiene time…. Leaves maybe 3-5 hours for sleep each day week after week. Inadequate, unhealthy, dangerous and a cult technique for mind control.

And has anyone else ever noticed that there is NO “WATCHTOWER” in scripture as part of any particular teaching but THERE is prominent use of “Watchtower” in Dungeons and Dragons type games and forms of Witchcraft including spells involving “Watchtower”? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchtower_%28magic%29

MSN search for “Watchtower” alone & with “Magic Spell” or “Occult” or “Witchcraft”. CT Russell was a 33 rd degree freemason ( Illuminati) nutcase who read books by guys that measured the lengths of the halls in pyramids to foretell the future by. He would have done as well casting dried bones about. The Illuminati are a real group that was founded on May 1 1776, so I read, and wrote books and essays on their goals of a “one world government” the “New World Order”. There is no “New World” in the Bible - thus the Watchtower bible’s name “New World Translation” isn’t based on the Bible passage relating the good news of “New Heavens and a New Earth”. “World” isn’t synonymous with “Heaven” or “Earth” in scripture. “New World” is an abomination scripturally speaking.

Does that help augment my previous point sufficiently “WHAT IF I QUESTIONED E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G THE WATCHTOWER EVER TAUGHT ME INCLUDING STUFF THEY PIRATED AND PLAGIARISED FROM “NOMINAL” CHRISTIANITY?”

Regards and Peace on Earth Towards Men of Goodwill,

Paul - The Fuzzy ONE

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Going to see the elders, don't know how do drop the bomb.

by Anti-Christ in

i have been inactive for about 3-4 years they want to meet with me(sure took them a long time) i'm not to sure what angle to go with.

i definitively do not believe in the borg.

any more but not too sure about the bible( still searching ).

FuzzyPaul

I doubt you really are "anti-Christ" the term is misused and misunderstood. WOW there are a lot of replies on your post. DO NOT PLAY BY THEIR RULES. They do not answer to you and you don't answer to them. You are free to leave and they can't say or do a thing (legally). They are just another set of people. Treat them like any other person and when it gets personal the information isn't owed them! Challenge them if need be but don't let them into your home I think. I would only go at them with a full arsenal of information but WHY BOTHER?

See :

Growing Up in a Religion of

Hate

Jerry Bergman, Ph.D.

At

http://www.premier1.net/~raines/hate.html

You can google “Watchtower pyramid” , “Watchtower Occult” , “Watchtower United Nations” , “Watchtower scandal” , “Watchtower false prophecy” and get an eyeful. Of course, using the Internet is discouraged what with all the news on them being BAD there. All that BAD news is dismissed as “apostate”. A misnomer I think. Heretical is likely a better term. TOO BAD. If it wasn’t true the WT would sue for libel and shut down the website. THEY HAVE in one case where one guy didn’t want to fight in court over his well researched and documented attack on them with there own literature’s words. He must have really bugged someone! They can’t sue because the BAD news about them is TRUE.

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Lost and looking for answers

by LynnTink in

this is my story.

i was born a jw and never knew anything else because my parents shelter from everything but for other reason.

from the time i can remember my dad beat my mom.

FuzzyPaul

Dear Lynntink,

Welcome. Your experiences are so common that they could be considered typical aspects of life in the Watchtower cult. I had great trouble breaking out. I am 48 and it took 15 years from my first really big disillusionment. I always smelled a rat in their teachings and leaders. I have been attending non-denominational Christian churchs for 3 months now and am so relieved and feel happy when I leave. I never remember feeling happy when leaving the K.Hall except to be going home or out to eat.

You are OK. You have been through great troubles and it is usual to act or think abnormally in an abnormal situation. Your situation qualifies as abnormal, yes? It will take time but you will need a support system and a community now. Consider seriously how useless continued WT involvement will be to you. Do you really think GOD's people would act such as you describe? Even 5% of what you tell of is intolerable if a "True Religion" were at fault.

I wrote a letter and mailed to ex K.Halls copies listing reasons why I was disgusted with the WT such as their CHILD SEX ABUSE scandals, their JOINING the United Nations, that CT Russell was a 33rd degree Free-Mason and filled the WT with Masonic symbols, phrases, and Egyptian pagan religion. He even has a pyramid exactly like the one pictured on the back of the US one dollar bill for his cemetary monument and it says Watchtower... on it. Those are some of my reasons. I googled "Watchtower Scandal" and got very upset and angry at the WT and learned of more WT uglyness from Raymond Franz and his friend's books. If the charges and allegations against the WT weren't true they could and would suit for libel. They file law suits all the time against dissidents and victims of their abuse even suiting for court costs and legal fees from victims of childhood sexual abuse who lose suits against them.

I owe them no explanations. I do not answer to them just as they don't answer to me. I do not play by or use their rules even for how I should resign. I avoid all WT phrases, slogans, and dismiss all the mind chatter that they ingrained in me to hear in my mind. I won't even call them JWs since they stole the name. YHVH chooses his witnesses, one does not decide to be one. I threw out my New World Translation. It is corrupt. I discerned that from using the Kingdom Interlinear for years. There is no "New World" in scripture. There is a Masonic "New World Order"

Babylon the Great is what the WT says it isn't in the opening chapters of the B the G book. It is the big business, military industrial empire. The false prophet is the News and media companies that have most of the US media controlled by 5 corporations. Armageddon is a place. Maggadon is a town on the west shore of the Sea of Galilee and was called Magdala in Jesus time. It is where Mary Magdalene was from. Har means mountain and there are big mountains on the west shores of the Sea of Galilee. The whole Megiddo and plains of Estraelon thing is centuries old error. Martyr means a witness. Period. Suffering or dying for one's faith, or persecution is not martyrdom in the Greek of the Christain part of the Bible. Did the WT ever tell you that you were literally a "Jehovah's Martyr"? What martyr and martyring ... meant to a 1st century Greek reader has nothing to do with the current English definition. The JW should know that in and out since "witness" = "martyr" and a JMs are what the WT claimed to be training and directing.

Those are a few of my intellectual reasons. The intolerable epidemic of heavy handedness by WT leaders crushed all the love of them out of me. I don't need any more reasons although I still read and write them. Psycholgists term that "pressure of speech" which is a typical post traumatic experience symptom. Psychology is not a Satanic conspiracy. Neither is College or University. Or little league. Or school plays. Or band, orchestra or cheer leading. Or listening to Jazz. Or the animal names of pro football teams. Reasonableness always applies of course. But the WT condemned every thing no matter how little they could find to speak against. They isolated us as just another level of control and to make us fear to leave. ONE HAS NO COMMUNITY outside of the WT if one follows their directions. Jesus did not demand or imply cloistering ourselves.

You need other people who will help you up and help you out. Don't be afraid any more. Anxiety can't change any bad situation.

Pray and imagine a Non-Watchtower, biblical GOD and his son Jesus hearing and helping. THEY are real. GOD can guide you personally and directly, listen to him. Discern when.

Much love and hope for your recovery, but leaving the WT is the only course and I think you already feel that. Otherwise you would not have reached out to a discussion board populated by ex-Watchtower witnesses.

You can contact any of us personally by clicking on our discussion board alias (name).

As one of your friends,

Paul

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Lies Well Disguised: The Watchtower Pamphlet (Great Review)

by V in

loving this!

(source).

lies well disguised: the watchtower pamphlet.

FuzzyPaul

I have noted that what a person strongly claims about oneself is dubious. Why bring up something unless one has an issue in mind, and why have an issue in mind unless there is an issue being contended, and why would one contend with an issue if in fact an issue isn't an actuallity.

I now KNOW that the Watchtower is little more than a club for baby-rapers, child molesters, homo-sexuals including lesbians and orgy lovers. Just today an engineer estimated a job for me and told me that he was married to a JW and called her a whore and sneek. He said repeatedly that she was a real whore, implying gross sexual misconducts. He didn't get into his level of involvement with the WT. I know of exactly that sort of thing personally. I thought for years that there were inconsistencies with judicial committee decisions but those inconsistencies are with the Bible's instructions and not with Watchtower standard operating procedure. Scandal after scandal and numerous Elders Stern-jaw state affirmatively that Jehovah's Witnesses don't do those sorts of things (like baby raping). I retorted: That is correct, when someone who calls themselves a Witness does those things they have disqualified themselves and is not in fact a Witness for GOD. And I stated that those things did likely occur.

When the WT joined the United Nations they agreed to support the UN charter and that charter allows the use of deadly force and intervention in the wars and trouble of governments. When the Nazis imprisoned JWs in WW2 the rank and file as a group held up under persecution, for some out of selfishness since they would lose their community and support system, but the District overseerers ratted each other out and turned over all the records of who were JWs and where they were to those Nazis. Was that a support to GOD's people or in fact aiding an enemy of people claimed to belong to GOD. Historical documents are being discovered one after another that tell how the WT placated the Nazis and compromised. Hypocrisy, dis-loyalty, dis-honesty, and dissertion. Those are WT legacies.

And as regarding the issue of false doctine, the WT has forced plenty of false doctrines into the minds of adherents - they are what I call a doctrine of the month club. Different issue of the Watchtower rag and different doctrines. Watchtower leaders refer to the Watchtower magazine as being like a "letter from Jehovah" then instructs to not refer to older issues because those older "letters from Jehovah" are out-dated and could confuse one.

WT historians document repeat reversals of numerous teachings and quote the WT as saying that GOD was giving "new light". Which "new light" contradicted the last "new light". Which last "new light" contradicted the previous older "new light" which is the same as the latest "new light". In the passage of decades of time these seem to number in the hundreds and some have had very grievous consequences to those who acted on those false leadings. GOD then gets blamed for giving the wrong "new light" which the WT claims it faithfully published and now HE is getting his act together by giving "food at the right time" through his "Only channel of communication and earthly organization" to lead his people out of the hole the WT indirectly implies HE dug and threw us followers into. And after that when we followers are disappointed, disillusioned, disgusted, and discerning enough to notice this eggregious behavior, the WT blaims us the followers for having false notions blaming our imaginations. Then these followeres are chastised for not being "faithful" and warned to not drift away or abandon them "from whom we first heard the truth from."

I wonder, why am I wasting my time on reading and writing about the Watchtower's false prophecy, lies, cover-ups? Enough documentation already exists but the WT's followers won't read even a dictionary entry that contradicts the WT (it happened when I tried to use the dictionary with a pair of elders). Example: how can someone be "in the truth"? What sort of thing is "truth" that someone can be in it. The English dictionary doesn't allow or recognize that use of the word "truth". The Watchtower has stolen an English word and put a new and misleading meaning into their use of it. I was even told not to read the newspaper. The WT sternly warns their followers to not listen or read anything anti-Watchtower as the Devil himself will come out of the page and grab your brain and you would then suffer spiritual shipwreck. Excuse me but what intolerable bull-shit. What few truths they taught were inconsistently taught and usually plagiarized.

Truth has no enemy from open discussion.

Grievously,

Paul

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Can anyone give me advice?

by Palsnpets in

hi all my problems are complex, so here goes.

my 36yr old husband after ten yrs of marriage (abusive), left me for a 19yr old girl.

thats fine with me, i'm way over it and have a wonderful new man.

FuzzyPaul

Hi and welcome,

There is so much dirt about the Watchtower Society that if your children are of normal intelligence they would vomit at what they are and have been into. Sorry this is long but any such discussion is far longer.

Google or MSN search word/ phrase pairs such as "Watchtower Occult" "Watchtower United Nations" / "Watchtower NGO" "Watchtower Scandal" "Charles Taze Russell Freemason" "Charles Taze Russell Pyramid" (Charles Taze Russell was the founder of the Watchtower) visit Bill Bowens site www.silentlambs.org ; www.freeminds.org ; www.premier1.net/~raines/hate.html (While this doctor is an-exJW I don't endorse his choice of Doctrines, I differ on trinity, hellfire, immortal soul) ; www.watchtowerinformationservice.org ; www.randyTV.vom (Randy is a bit off center but his site is full of stuff) visit the www.UN.org website and serach for "Watchtower" you will find a document about the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of NewYork Inc's United Nations membership which was a huge flap. Since the UN's weblink was broken last I checked - to change it to a PDF file - I put the UN.org URL for it below.

If you find something about demonic images being hidden in illustrations in their books use it find how to fold the picture on page132 of the "Knowledge that leads to Everlasting Life" book and it becomes a "Skull over a pyramid".

Get a copy of the book "You can Live Forever on Paradise on Earth" turn to page 93 and look at the left side of the waterfall - it is a profile of a Skull with the upper jaw missing and looks similar to the "Skull" at Golgotha in the cliff wall - WORSE YET - turn it upside down ; I photocopied it at 200%; the Skull profile is a womans face drawn in profile (large) and she is looking left at two men (smaller and just to the right of the woman seen bathing behind the others) looking right and downward at a small person (a child?) whose hands are bound and pullked up over its head! There is a cross at the right man's shoulder the other man is on his left shoulder and there seems to be a stylized Devil face looking on behind the child. I showed this to a Med Doctor I know and he was WOWed that a child sacrifice to the Devil would be pictured there. Once you see the images you can't not see them. It is well known that perverse and pornographic images are embedded in advertising called "Subliminal advertising". A web search gets docs that were papers submitted to University for degree work and so-on. That the WT puts over 100 known such yucky things in their illustrations matches their Occult origins.

Freemasonry at its highest degree levels is considered by most Fundamentalist Christians and myself to be pure Occult and Satanism. Pyramids including his Pittsburg PA cemetary monument, The Cross and Crown symbol, using phrases such as "trying the angles and squares", Pagan Egypt religious symbols such as Winged Sun Disk, and quotes of Russell indicate strongly that he was a 33rd degree Freemanson and in the Honor Society called "Knights Templar" therein. Wycopedia (spelling off on that name) "Knights Templar". Respectfully, conspiracy theorists and their detractors will go toe to toe over the FreeMason ... ideas but regardless it is a wacky thing for a guy who invented "THE [not so] TRUE RELIGION" to be so enamored with their "Club" and weirdnesses and to use their symbolisms in the Watchtower publications.

A weirdness of Free-Mason membership is that one must be Christian even though all manner of occult and witchcraft symbols are used by them including pentagrams / pentangles. Free-masons started the Mormon and Christian Science religions also. The WT gives one a 2nd or 3rd grade bible education and the rest is indoctrination into the organization. The deeper one gets into the WT, the more secrets one is privy to.

I used their Greek Interlinear of The New Testament called "The Kingdom Interlinear" and found that a word for word translation of the Greek into English read diferently from the Watchtowers marginal and Official New World Translation reading. It was so frequent that using it at meetings for a while opened my eyes about how they altered the Scriptures they use. AND, there is no "New World" in the Bible, but there is a "New World Order" which is a One World Government by man-made means and attributed to the Free-Masons.

Books by Raymond Franz (He is alive but not so well ex-member of the Governing Body of The Watchtower) such as "Crisis of Conscience" document their bullshit and lies and offensive manners. Other authors also expose things but many are technical analysis and retorts to WT published ideas for ex-J Witnesses to un-learn their mind-control and brain-washing and deceits. See Websters for the def of Brain-washing it fits their M.O.

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf

I hope the best for you, May I suggest that you visit some pastors in your area for advice and support. I have and found that I didn't have to join to get help, most acted like any one of my neighbors and were refreshing. Also, I have been so happy with the folks in Churches. Maybe, likely I think, your kids are "Church Hungry" and any religion would appeal but the WT is a very bad choice.

Love,

Paul

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KHAA, reasn Watchtower is afraid of Kingdom hall related lawsuits (mishaps)

by DaCheech in

unlike any other business or homeowener in which we go out and buy insurance, the watchtower self insures itself.. each year all congregations sent a check through the wefts system for $4.5 for each publishers they have.

this money goes to the watchtower, and is kept as khaa or kingdom hall assistance arrangement.

any time fire, vandalism, or mishaps happen the kingdom hall supposedly sends the bill to the watchtower, and they will help with this bill (of course all labor will be done pro bono through regional building committe).

FuzzyPaul

Hmmmm,

I have been passing these thoughts on and hope that GOD YHVH blesses their content's distribution to be as wide as possible:

If one suffers abusive attentions from the WT witnesses don't be afraid to contact the police. Or the FBI since inter-state crimes may be involved or even considered terroristic. Or the Post Master Inspector since the WatchTower B&T Society has likely used the US mails to ask for $ for a "World-wide preaching work" and then used it to defend child rapists and abuse, stalk, spy on dissidents or funnel it into some pet project when Tsunami or Hurricane victims were the intended beneficiaries. Interestingly, the Watchtower's various United Nations Non-Governmental Organization affiliations forces them to have transparent accounting which means that, like in the Watergate scandal, if one followed the money one would find the crimes and conspiritors. See the movies "All the Presidents Men", "The Firm", "The Rainmaker", "The Pelican Brief". "A Civil Action", if you aren't sure what that means. Some of those are the works of an ex-lawyer / author John Grishom and based on realities of the law.

I successfully threatened to sue them for organized harrassment when I grew a beard since they could be sued for "Violation of an Implied Contract" which was used by a fellow against his religion. If they are a Bible based religion then where do they get the injunction against beards from? Isn't it in fact a tradition and traditions are written against by them. Thus they failed to keep their promises and that is how I presented their "Violation of an Implied Contract" to them. AmJur, CJS, or Court reporters have a section on Religious Societies. The WT sent me a letter promising that "no one should question me regarding my decision to wear a beard" and that "it isn't disorderly conduct to wear a beard". I remember I read in the records of case law that it is required of dis-affected members to "Appeal to the "Governing Body of The Ecclesiastical Society" when aggrieved before legal action can be commenced. So I wrote thusly. That action of demanding relief from the Governing Body would put a serious demand on them just answering correspondence. When I find the letter I'll post it.

As well I have heard of dirty tactics and lying to Judges used by the WT's lawyers against offended plaintiffs which I am sure would be a matter for the Bar associations since in many cases court recorded depositions or testimony from other cases has been misrepresented and twisted beyond recognition and the opposite of what the testimony was has been attributed to the testifyer. That alone could get an attorney dis-barred. Decimate their staff of lawyers. Anyone so offended can write the Bar although I would have an Attorney review the complaint letter to the Bar. The Bar may even have a form for complaints. Also lawsuits against lawyers for mal-practice can be filed.

If everyone who has been battered or stalked or suffered any criminal act by a WT witness defied their orders against involving law enforcement when so offended they would sink. They have an unusual concentration of abusive and not surprisingly mentally ill or affected members. Little happiness there.

They likely could be indicted for obstruction of justice and RICCO act violations as well as mail fraud Even their extensive record keeping can sink them as it has done in the past. At the least, public exposure of how they use records to harm individuals will help keep more potential victims from joining. Crimes have a way of eventually blowing up in the face of truely bad men, women and orgaizations.

Pass this message on about how to sink them for criminal and conspiritorial acts. If enough people acted those nefarious creeps will never see the light of day again from their jail cells or it would even bankrupt them. There are thousands of disaffected people and they need to know that they have a voice and options. Pass it on, sink them. PASS IT ON.

Maybe their are a few people with pockets deep enough to start an avalanche against the Unholy Watchtower.

Regards,

Paul

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My Story

by nonamegiven in

well, my story isnt as exciting or as tragic as many are, but its mine so ill tell it.

the early years:.

i was raised in the truth but we were inactive for many years.

FuzzyPaul

Hi,

I'm new to this discussion site and can't get enough of encouraging people who find the inclination to leave the Watchtower - JUST LEAVE. There is no denying that from Raymond Franz to websites like freeminds.org ; silentlambs.org ; randyTV.com ; http://gwest59.tripod.com ; watchtowerinformationservice.org ; there are thousands of persons with stories to tell of abuse and neglect.

I hope you find the love and compassion that Jesus intended for you to share with his followers. The WT can't possibly be the truth or in fact - in my belief - a christian religion. There is too much evidence to the contrary.

I have been attending other church services in my town and have felt loved and welcome. My experience with visiting other K-Halls when I traveled for the Company (before I grew a beard) was that I felt under examination as if I was a nefarious derilict and felt little love or warmth. Only my bass-baritone trained singing voice got me some positive attention. I quess you have to be a rock star.

My mother, who interestingly just called me as I started to write this, was contacted by witnesses shortly after my previous brother died in a horrible accident. I followed soon after. I feel that her profound depression was responsible for her accepting the visits. Those ladies were caring but controlling. The only benefit I feel I had from the Watchtower was that I actually stayed moral - mostly - and out of serious trouble while young. But the abuse I suffered for being cultishly peculiar and lack of friends in and out of the org as well as caused me serious suffering. A paradox but the sum total is I feel great being out and with Christain associates in my community. The WT vilifies Christians and I hope you look into your options for worship. I feel that staying unaffiliated or in a non-denomination would be my preference but the fact is Jesus knows his people.

You weren't an abuser. It seems that the abusers are predominant and folk like us can't stay leaving a greater concentration of abusive people in the WT over time. All the exposure I gave to their abuses got me abused all the more. I feel that the WT likes it that way or they would discipline the abusers instead of the victims. My story is too long to tell but I was in deep and long. It was hard to leave completely and go elsewhere.

Consider your options, Jesus Christ is real and interested in you.

My love to you,

Paul

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More Earthquakes? What did Jesus really mean?

by FuzzyPaul in

i think that when jesus said "... there would be earthquakes in one-place after another ..." he was saying those things would happen but that those things were not the sign, he said those things must take place but the end is not yet.

disasters are unavoidably distracting.

what jesus said was of similar content to his discussion of the galileans whose blood was mixed with a sacrifice or those 18 persons who died when the tower of siloam fell on them.

FuzzyPaul

I think that when Jesus said "... there would be Earthquakes in one-place after another ..." he was saying those things would happen but that those things were not the sign, HE said those things must take place BUT THE END IS NOT YET. Disasters are unavoidably distracting. What Jesus said was of similar content to his discussion of the Galileans whose blood was mixed with a Sacrifice or those 18 persons who died when the Tower of Siloam fell on them. The point seems to be: The end of the age comes when the good news has been preached to his satisfaction.

Randy Watters has an essay that at first confused me since he called Jesus answer to the request for a sign about his presence as a non-sign. What I now understand is that the WTS explanation is a non-sign manufactured from a passage easily misunderstood. Jesus meant, There is going to be certain great troubles but that isn't what I want you to look at as a significant event as a sign ("The end is not yet") this is : The preaching will be done and THEN THE END WILL COME.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/122249/1.ashx

I e-mailed a University of Cal Prof Agnew about a theory of mine that Global warming would change the period of the Earth's rotation by redistributing the mass of Water from the Polar regions to areas farther from the axis which would slow the velocity of rotation. p=mvr which is conservation of rotational momentum. Move mass outward in radius (increasing the gyrus of rotation) and the rotational velocity in units of radians slows since m, mass is considered a constant and p cannot change. He informed me that the speed of the Earth's rotation is being monitored as one means of measuring the rise in sea level but that the acceleration was very small and therefore the Forces generated F=ma would be small.

When Noah's flood occurred, if a large mass of water fell in several days from an altitude of tens to a few hundred miles to the Earth how much acceleration occurred and would that have been enough to break up the Pangean continent into the numerous tectonic regions we see today?

I think that evidence exists that the rotational velocity of the Earth did change and that as a result of Noah's Flood. When I see highway cuts through the Applalachian Mountains and view the incredible displacements I must ask: Movements are due to unbalanced forces. The Earth was cooled into a uniform oblate spheroid and then POW all this enormous movement happened making mountains and moving South America and Africa apart a huge distance and India went from the East Coast of Africa into the Asian sub-continent with enough force to push up the Himilayas - and so-on as I see it. A significant force would be needed and my view is that Evolutionary Non-science needs millions and billions of years to sound plausible but the geological events such as those which formed the Grand Canyon and mountains is within the last few thousand years. 24 hour day creation ideas need not apply. Dinosaur bones with dried flesh still on the bones are reported found. Not Mammoths but Dinosaurs. 65 million year old jerky? I don't think so.

Zechariah and Revelation both predict a great earthquake at the time of the end in the region of Jerusalem splitting the Mount of Olives. That seems different than a [non] sign using earthquakes in one place after another. As said before, Jesus wanted us to look at what really mattered to him for us to be involved in - spreding the good news.

Any physics buffs with a notion to add and expound upon? Or any scriptural expositers?

Paul

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2 Pet. 3:10 "earth and the works in it will be discovered"?? or burned up?

by M.J. in

here's the nwt rendering of the verse:.

(2 peter 3:10) 10 yet jehovahs day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.. other translations say the earth will "burn up".. nkj: but the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.. ylt: and it will come -- the day of the lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.. same goes for every other translation i've found.. the word in question, katakaio according to the lexicons i've seen only point to the meaning of: burn & consume by fire.. where did the nwt get "discovered" from?.

FuzzyPaul

Respectfully, WOW. Their are some very well researched answers to this question that I myself asked. I think that it is good to understand the deep things of God that he has seen to expose to us but I think that -for instance - spending 2 hours hearing articles indoctrinating the congregation about wether or not Jesus was hung on a pole, t or T and how that pertains to our very everlasting life and don't wear a CROSS or you'll be worshipping the Devil and Nimrod is a waste of time when the actual issue is this: Jesus died for us somehow that is called being nailed to a Stauros but it is the dying part that is of over-riding importance. Not how the carpenter or lumber man provided the instrument.

Anyway, perhaps it is a test of wether or not we trust what YHVH is bringing with the Kingdom in the hands of his Son Jesus (Yeshua). Do we believe that it will be a change for the better? Is it paramount that we know all the details to make our choice. As if we were deciding where to go on vacation.

I don't trust what I learned from the Watchtower and know that the WT was started by a spoiler who researched the Holy Scriptures to find the flaws in the Churches teachings. Their is no trinity, hellfire, immortal soul for sure - to my mind - but their isn't a "New World" in the Bible either. The attachment of the "New World" (likely a result of their actual affiliation with the entities behind the New World Order which politicians and the UN support) to the Bible's phrase "New Heavens and a New Earth" is a horrible deceit. Their is no "New World" in scripture. That would be a non-sense term and in no way can "World" and "Heaven" or "Earth" IN THEIR ORIGINAL LANGUAGE MEANINGS be synonomous. That is one reason I discarded the New World Translation. Using the "Kingdom Interlinear" at the Hall for years let me see the numerous verses (and numerous ways) they altered in the scriptures and consequently altered the way they could be explained and that done to make a compact belief that unfortunately leaves one confused when reading other things such as the list of events at the end of Revelation for instance (For me).

Anyway, I trust that I will be disappointed with parts of my belief system but I want a belief system that the Bible supports before or after the events happen in time since of course, how and where we live is totally affected. I think that we should be ready for anything. I thought of the movie K-Pax when I wrote that.

Sorry for writing like more of a simpleton but the point isn't about content but of approach to a question. I enjoy intelligent persons who can actually write a coherent thought so write. Keep perspective. Belief in Jesus is the paramount thing and grace and love....

Regards to you,

Paul