found this interesting talk on e-watchman's site.
it was given by david splane, a gb member.. the talk is really interesting as it gives a more focused look at the troubles the society is facing as it trys to cope with education, peer pressure etc.. .
http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=454.
Being an elder in an European country I've had to sit through one of this talks.....
....I can only say: ASSHOLE!
There is nothing more to add and I wish somebody at HQ reads this! This is how *WE* elders think about this kind of talks. Go ahead, give some more of this crap and the Borg will pretty soon be empty.....
.....in my congr. even some of the more hardcore (aka "faithfull") JW where discouraged and depressed after this Zone visit and talk!
Go figure.
RedPill
humbly submitting to loving shepherds.
*** w87 6/15 p. 15 par.
500-501 par.
Sounds like Jesus needed a lesson in inventory control - just at the worst possible time (of the end) he runs out of anointed and has to use the inferior 'other sheep' for the top jobs. Damn! I hate when that happens! It's like inviting everybody over for dinner and running out of roast beef so you have to serve 'em peanut butter sandwiches instead.
RFMLAO!!!!
I LOVE YOU GUYS! Thanks for saving my sanity!!! Love you Blondie!
Bizzy Bee: This really cracked me up! Wish you well and all the Best I could wish! Thanks for the humour!
Loved it.
RedPill.
jehovah is such a righteous, merciful, loving god -- slow to anger, overflowing with loving kindness and blessing.
yet it somehow bothers many of you that he will shortly execute his judgment on mankind and wipe out 99.9% of the world's population, as if that somehow is supposed to conflict with his loving qualities.
personally, i have no idea why many of you feel this way.
Very good point Leolaia!!! I'm glad to learn more and more that people outside this whacko organization tend to THINK and be REASONABLE, and actually make some sense. Something that the WT has tried to erase from JW's minds.
The funny thing is, I raised up studying with these kind of pictures. What cracks me is that those people are all clothed like in the 70's (they should have gone by '75 or so). WE have to rewrite history for the WT:
This is Gladys. Yes, she remembers how hard it was to fight for human rights in the 70's. 37 years have passed by...instead of eternal incineration in Gods "giant microwave" much has been accomplished for the Maidworkers Union. Just the other day she meet that lovely lady that is a Jehoavahs Witness and has benefited from GLADYS work towards workers rights. Some people are actually pissed off at this. Gladys read in the newspaper that there is an organization in Brooklyn that still denies its 'workers' and hundreds of Maids the rights they have. 'Crazy people', thought Gladys.
This is Larry . He had a hell of a time. Yeah, pot smoking was fun in the 70's. Since then he has gotten over the crazy "hippie" lifestyle and moved on to a great carreer. He surely is glad that he didn't accept the tracts from the two crazy pioneer sisters back then.....Just the other day he remembered them again, because he meet his friend Joey. Joey is now 67 and has no funds, no pension and Larry felt so sorry for poor Joey...he was washing windows. Joey told him that he expects the end anytime soon....that was the moment Larry had this flashback and remembered the two crazy chicks at his door. Larry had to shake his head....whilst he packed his Golf equipment into the new Lexus. God, I'm glad this whole Investment stuff worked out well.
This is Diane. Much has happened since the WT printed that brochure. Diane did a good life. Actually she, as a woman, showed the world that it IS possible to contribute in a meaningfull way to humankind. She is now the CEO of a big Software company (Microhard.com). Her children are getting a decent education in an elegant school in Switzerland. She has created many jobs for thousands of people. Actually there are many young Witnesses hoping to get a Job at her company. Also, recently the Watchtower Society knocked on her door to get help with they're IT needs....God, the world really needs Computers more than anything else! Look, even those freaks that print a 2000 year old book are looking for the newest and fanciest technology there is! She surely is proud of her work. Now she is in the position to donate some of that cash to programs that actually HELP the poor and shelterless.
This is Jane . The elders certainly tried to scare the hell out of here.....showing her pictures of the BIG ASS DAY.....Jane is glad she didn't follow through. She re-married again. Mark is certainly not a JW, but loving and caring. Jane almost forgot that the WT even exists. Just the other day she heard about that lovely sister that studyied with her.....she died. Poor woman,, she expected so much to be in Paradise by now. She even never got to marry or have children on her own. Jane heard that she had to be cared by in a home for the elderly, since everybody else in the Hall was sooo busy announcing that the BIG ASS is sooooo near.
This is Friskie , well....my friends. What should I tell you about our Friskie......as a kid I was shocked to see the little kitten being rosted for some unknown reason. Actually Friskie had more kittens, and they where sooo cute that they all got contracts for a big TV advertisement for cat food. Friskie is now old and fat (can you believe even my cat is now 40 years old?) Yeah, medicine has gone a long way. Even cats get to live longer......
Wish you well being and peace.
RedPill.
loyal to christ and his faithful slave.
what interesting points: cross, christmas, pyramid.
q12, 13) what scriptural reasons are there for showing respect for the slave class?.
YES yaddayadda, you are right. THIS was the most thought vomit provoking article in a long time!!! I almost puked on the beautiful new carpet....
Specially the part about Isaiah (par. 14), where they apply the scripture to the GB. If you read up the whole chapter you will notice that it talks about Cyrus. Now, according to WT Theology this applies to Jesus.....if they now apply THIS particular scripture to the GB, it means that with this article they just pushed Jesus off his throne....off you go...look elsewhere for a job....
I rate this the WORST article of the year....so far. It really takes home the authoritarian style that has been growing in the past years...I expect the worst once they start publishing the "internal version" of the WT in January 2008.....
It is almost a joke how they start the article stating that you shouldn't call anyone your "leader" yet call themselves GOVERNINGBODY....
What a joke! If at least they would call themselves "The 12 11 10 9 Apostles" it would be more close to the Bible.....
RedPill.
in view of the breathtaking mistakes made by the governing body in the last 10 years, the time has come for all with influence in or out of the organization of jehovah's witnesses to ask for the resignation of the entire governing body.
<br>in the past 5 years alone, we have seen the defacto president of the watchtower society, theodore jarascz, dismiss reporters from the bbc without addressing their questions about sex abuse; they have denied repeatedly that there is a problem in the 2 witness to sex abuse policy; they have arranged the excommunication of whistleblowers in the organization, implying that they are spiritually deficient or worse.
<br>thousands of members of this fellowship have been sexually abused by family or friends in the group, only to be told that it didn't happen, that they misunderstood it, and if they could not produce a second witness or the accused confessed, they were told that they must be silent or face shunning.
Unfortunately XJW4EVR is spot on, on this issue!!!
No newspaper headline will make the regular, hardcore JW drop out! There is too much at stake! Whole lifes have been wasted with the illusion....they're minds WILL block anything that destroys the mental picture they have about the happy God Organization!
Think about the Catholic church. How much could they get away with? Still exist...up to this day I see people crawling on they're knees to places like Fatima, Lourdes, etc. and literally throw they're money at the plates.....despite all the shit they have done over CENTURIES!
Believe me, THIS is NOT going to bring the GB down. They pull off too much "this is persecution, or satans world" -cards out of they're sleeves.
Damned it.
RedPill.
what's wrong with this picture?.
the watch tower society claims that its members are united spiritually despite ethnic and cultural diversity; they speak a "pure language.
" an anglo-american religion, whose mother tongue is english, jehovah's witnesses see paradise - in saturated color - as though already "present.
RichieRich & Arthur:
ROFLMAO!!! I didn't intend to log on today, but I saw your comments on the Society's view about kakhi pants and HAD TO tell you how I started laughing.....your humour is great! Loved it. Keep it rolling...
RedPill.
" (quote from the watchtower, august 1st, 2001, page 14).
(quote from the watchtower, december 1st, 1981 issue, page 27).
(quote from the watchtower, december 1st, 1990 issue, page 19).
Most definitive YES. Read my thoughts here >> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/133259/1.ashx
RedPill.
today i have realized (once more) how the watchtower shit cult has ruined my life!
today i am really pissed off at them...... i'm writing this hoping that two groups of people read this.
either some watchtower people that monitor this site or people that think to join this crap!.
Today I have realized (once more) how the Watchtower shit cult has ruined my life! Today I am really pissed off at them.....
I'm writing this hoping that two groups of people read this. Either some Watchtower people that monitor this site or people that think to join this crap!
Yes, Watchtower guys. READ THIS! I am an elder and still active. Nobody dreams how much damage I can cause to you and how I REALLY think about the WT. You have ruined MY LIFE, SUCKERS. I will ruin as much as I can of YOURS!
I have been for 17 years a Regular Pioneer and an elder for 19 years. I can't tell you what has me so pissed at them, but I can certainly say NOT GETTING A DECENT EDUCATION, BEING CONTROLED FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS and HAVING SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS OF FULL TIME SERVICE and sitting here with my 50+ years and being FINANCIALLY RUINED has me really enraged.....
If you have some kind of sanity don't become a Pioneer, don't follow this stupid rules, don't EVER do anything the WT tells you to do.....19 years of my experience tell me YOU ARE FLUSHING YOUR LIFE DOWN THE TOILET!
Phuu......Sorry for ranting. I had to vent. Even if nobody reads this, at least I have put my thoughts in words.....
RedPill.
a girlfriend has just been telling me about "second life" a new free game you can download onto your computer.
has anyone played?
she says its right up my alley but i'll have to wait til i get home to find out why!.
Yep!
Here in a nutshell.
- SecondLife is like a community game (like a Forum in Graphical Form - it means: you interact with other characters=real people, make friendships, chitchat, walk around to discover the world, etc.)
- It is a complete world in Graphical Form. They have Houses, Shops, Restaurants, Seaside harbors, Fun Theme Parks, Adult 'Red Zone' areas (only accessible if you want and if you're over 18).
- You have to choose your outlook (do you want to be male or female? Black, yellow or pink? yes some looks are just plain ridiculous). Then you have to choose where to life (rent or own the place). If you wan't to own some place you have to buy it WITH REAL DOLLARS! or if you would like to have that latest piece of furniture/electronic equipment or swimming pool in your "virtual house" you have 2 choices: either you DESIGN it yourself or you BUY it from the many local shops (again: WITH REAL DOLLARS, better said you convert REAL DOLLARS into the local virtual currency - i forgot the name).
- Once you have these basic things setup you start your "NEW LIFE" (just sounded so WT ), you basically wander around, interact with objects (like drive around, play a game, play the guitar, etc. talk to people etc.)
Pros & Cons
PROS:
- Great way to meet people, have some fun (like you would with a Forum, only more graphical)
- Some people out there are making 100.000 US$ (REAL Dollars) monthly income with this game. How? Well, it has a big, rising membership and almost everybody that comes into the game wants they're own place to stay (like in real life sleeping under the Bridge is a whole new opportunity, but those newspapers don't really cover your butt in the cold). Since every NEW ADDITION of houses, gardens, etc. costs SPACE on the computer servers (remember they are all electronic graphical files) you have to BUY PROPERTY (in reality space on the servers). Some guys have bought whole ISLANDS or BIG PIECES OF LAND (measures in GIGABYTES) and now sell these off to the newbies. Great way to get into REAL ESTATE in the virtual world - in case you missed the big real estate boom in LA or downtown Miami....
Other ways of making money: Members that are graphic design oriented draw and create beautiful creations of clothing, convertible cars, furniture, etc. and you can BUY them off them. SO, if in real life you could never afford that new Gucci Design - here you can! (for less Dollars). You can even buy a local newspaper, Playboy magazine or go to a Party (some of these things are free, others cost virtual money).
- This is a fun way to experiment with a complete new lifestyle (in case you'd lost your REAL life to people like the Watchtower.....). Wished you be a Architect, Lawyer but ended up being sadless married with 5 kids and washing windows? Well, here is the opportunity to start "fresh". Born a guy? wanted instead to be a girl? Well, off you go....you get the point.
CONS
- I for myself like gaming. I also like contacts through Forums. BUT. These little baby here takes LOTS and LOTS of your time. So if you have lots of time to spend and like the idea of socializing on the net, than it is definitively for you. I personally like good fiction (like reading a good novel), but in this case I have to pass up since in my opinion you have to "transfer" your life into the computer (and this is from a computer nerd like me!!!)
- STEEP learning curve. If you want to be the cool kid on the block you've GOT TO HAVE some nice surroundings (otherwise your neighbours don't come to ya house to party). If your house looks like some box, empty and boring = no partying = no friends. SO like in real life you should get that 32inch Plasma TV onto the wall. You could design it yourself, but you will spend COUNTLESS hours figuring out how to do it so that it looks nice. You'll end up buying ready made stuff and spending money....(eventhough the game makers tell you that you can "redo your life" many things in the virtual world aren't different to the real one....well maybe getting that pink punk hairstyle with the odd clothing is fun and you can alway undo the crazy stuff (more complicated in real life!)
- The Graphics can be sluggish on many computers (I have a 3,2 GHZ HP Processor and still "my cool dude" moved around like a snail and the landscape moved like a good scene in a John Woo movie.
Here you have it - SecondLife in a nutshell. Try it out for a day or two. This is for the kind of person that likes social contacts that are more or less anonymous - you know its THE NET.
Wish this helped you and saved you some time reading up on this stuff.
RedPill.
ok - so special talk today - you can feel safe in a troubled world.
15 minutes devoted to to how bad things are.
iraq and usa were headlined and 1914 was mentioned > 20 times.
I guess one day they will have to add to outlines just to use quoted references
The "spiritual food" has become a Swiss cheese......it's such a mess. Think about it. If they really had to do this, then people would notice that 70-80% of the "spiritual" "food" is not valid anymore!
The other day a sister quoted "some interesting point" from a WT in the 70's (at the book study) and that quote was plainly outdated (i can't remember what it was, but it rang a bell in my head, i checked and it was not "new light" it was more light that you use to develop film in a dark room....
Anyway, there are still Questions from Readers from the 60's that are considered the ONLY ANSWER to some silly question, so they are the LATEST light and still valid (we considered a few old QFR at my Regular Pioneer School). But besides that Question from Readers you would go through the rest of the magazine and find the main topic OUTDATED, the main study articles FULL OF OLD STUFF and phrases, sentences that the WT today would inmediately back off from, so you could basically only use 10% of the printed material.
BUT. WHO knows what "parts" of old literature are still valid or not? THIS IS A COMPLETE MESS and EMBARRASSING, TOO.
RedPill.
