Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Is a jw condemned for lack of belief.

by Crazyguy2 in

if someone lacks belief is that somehow mean he’s done in their eyes and no way back?

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OnTheWayOut

To clarify, lack of belief in the Bible as gods word?

If one has a crisis of faith that becomes known to the elders, they can still be a brother or sister in good standing if they don't violate the rules and they work on that lack-of-faith problem.

If one flat out states that the Bible is not the Word of God, then it lends itself to their condemnation. You cannot believe in the organization if the organization believes in the Bible and you deny it.

But even then, if you were willing to keep your problem to yourself, many elders would say "Work on that" or "Keep that to yourself."

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Anyway coming back from my blunder?

by Crazyguy2 in

my oldest boy got pissed that i started going back to meetings so i had one last conversation with him as he moved out.

(only went back to try and not loose whole family) during the conversation things got a bit heated and i mentioned a couple of false prophecies in the bible the rest of family heard so now they think i don’t believe at all.

guess their right think my going back was just a ruse, yes that’s true to.

OnTheWayOut

I have to echo what Pete Zahut said.
We don't know your whole situation, but don't seek a divorce based on any JW stuff. If your mate does that, its not on you. Only get divorced or move out or whatever you want to do because you actually want to do it, don't let the JW's decide for you.

The best think I have ever heard from a forum like this one was where a disfellowshipped person was told they are not supposed to talk to the Witnesses, and they answered back, "NO, you are not supposed to talk to me. I can talk to anyone I please to talk to."

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I am a Watchtower survivor

by Sour Grapes in

i really like calling myself a watchtower survivor.

it is not demeaning to other people and is not a negative statement.

when a jdub sees that term it may make them think about why i would call myself a survivor.

OnTheWayOut

"Watchtower Survivor." I like it.

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Life Update 2019

by passwordprotected in

it's been a while since i was anywhere close to being active here, or on any other ex-jw forum or facebook group.

i rarely think about the religion and have little-to-no interest in it.. however, i do, very occasionally pop in here.

hence this update, 3 years on since my last one - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5720228449222656/update-on-my-journey-8-years-after-end-watchtower-control.

OnTheWayOut

Hey, that is a great update with a lot of positive thoughts and hopes in there. Thanks for sharing.

I thought about my life and how I barely interact with them. My JW mother and my JW wife do not bring up any JW topics. I have no idea who the current elders are at the congregation my wife still attends and I was an elder at. I don't have anything to do with with JW's except for my mother and my in-laws, and occasionally my wife's best friend in the Caribbean.

Recently, my wife said that a lady at the hall asked how her husband was doing. She said "Fine" or some other non-answer. When she relayed the story, I said "You should have told her about my promotion at work, how happy I am in that position, and that I was out of town with my best friend at an Elvis Costello concert at the time." Of course, my wife doesn't go into all that secular stuff. She honestly was just relating a query about me. And her short answer lets me know she tells the elders no more than those one or two word answers, too.

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My first encounter

by SB10 in

i don’t know if the woman i met yesterday will ever see this.

but i will forever remember that day for the rest of my life.

my grandfather has been in icu for the past 3 days.

OnTheWayOut

Sorry about your grandfather and strength to you as you deal with that.

As far as thinking this was a sign from god to help you find comfort during this time, be careful. I don't know if she followed you or if she was good at reading people and there was some hint for her to offer that particular message and literature. But I fell for "God sent them to me." If God sent JW's to me, then I have nothing nice to say about God. It's a cult, they want to recruit you and cause you all kinds of new problems in your life.

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The Latest From The Loony Left

by Simon in

so apparently, not only can people identify as men or women, regardless of reality, but they've now declared that people can identify as black or white as well!

no word yet from rachel dolezal, who will no doubt be declared a visionary, and sadly michael jackson didn't live long enough to celebrate.. i must say, now that i am a black woman, my views on reparations have completely changed.

y'all owe me some reparations bitches to make up for slavery yo.

OnTheWayOut

There are things that people believe that go too far. But it's not limited to the left.
There are people who believe that more guns will make everyone safer, that they should not listen to scientists but rather to businessmen and personal opinions of non-scientists about climate change, that Planned Parenthood kills babies and sells body parts, chemtrails are a government conspiracy to poison people, and some even accept that women cannot get pregnant from genuine rape.

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

OnTheWayOut

The G.B. might as well be saying "Badges? We don't need no badges. We don't have to show you any stinking badges."

Now substitute "proof with scriptures" instead of "badges."

It was one of the easiest ways to not abandon any previous teachings yet, buying time for them to come up with som other whacky doctrine involving the flood or seven times or whatever.

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How it will end for the believers

by iankiptoo in

today, many signs have been fulfilled showing that we are in the end times and much has been said in regards to armageddon, tribulation... etc but little in regards to what happens to those who believe and what transitions them to be free and escape from all that to the final destination.

this is my focus and message is based on that.in creation, there were two trees at the centre of the garden of eden and we are familiar with what happened;man ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and then we are familiar with the ramifications afterwards.

now through jesus christ, the events that will lead to the end for those who believe are in 3 stages1.knowledge will be increased (daniel 12:4)there will be a transition, knowledge will transition from that of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to also include knowledge of the tree of life and this brings with it a transformation that will bring in the second phase2.healingthe knowledge/belief/faith will bring about spiritual transformational healing, also practical knowledge i.e.

OnTheWayOut

Many believers will wake up sometime in their lifetime and stop believing. It might not happen until they are old and realize they have wasted their life in belief.

The rest will die believing, and not go to Heaven or Hell and will never know they were wrong.

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The Evolution Of The Watchtower Cult

by pale.emperor in

since waking up from the cult i've been curious about where the cult is going and how will it end up?

will it fizzle out or become a little fringe "religion" like plymouth bretheren or the shakers?.

we've already seen the cult evolve from:.

OnTheWayOut

I was surpised to learn that many hardcore teachings being pushed in the 1980's and 90's as if "we always taught that," were radical changes.

Apparently, Watchtower has to keep changing their doctrines when the calender causes a problem or when money becomes the catalyst.

Now, I am pretty much immune to the constant changes. Let me know when they drop 1914 entirely or announce a definite doomsday date.

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How it will end for the believers

by iankiptoo in

today, many signs have been fulfilled showing that we are in the end times and much has been said in regards to armageddon, tribulation... etc but little in regards to what happens to those who believe and what transitions them to be free and escape from all that to the final destination.

this is my focus and message is based on that.in creation, there were two trees at the centre of the garden of eden and we are familiar with what happened;man ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and then we are familiar with the ramifications afterwards.

now through jesus christ, the events that will lead to the end for those who believe are in 3 stages1.knowledge will be increased (daniel 12:4)there will be a transition, knowledge will transition from that of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to also include knowledge of the tree of life and this brings with it a transformation that will bring in the second phase2.healingthe knowledge/belief/faith will bring about spiritual transformational healing, also practical knowledge i.e.

OnTheWayOut

...or none of that.