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  A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

  by Giles Gray in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

  i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

  i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

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  Waton: The generation of partakers will pass away, when they are finished overlapping, at the outset of the Great Tribulation, long before all the Things have occurred.

  The end will come....the outset of the Great Tribulation....Armageddon....the beginning of the end....last days

  See how difficult it is to separate which one they want you to understand? Because they really don't want you to know which.

  Sometime in the future, when the G.B. see it is time, they will close the gates or flee to an Island with suitcases of cash and say the Great Tribulation has started.
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  A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

  by Giles Gray in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

  i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

  i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

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  I recently engaged with a JW regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points I was making. I was left a little confused as to what the official JW response would/should be.

  
  That is typical nowadays. Most adult JW's in the 70's through the 90's who studied at all could answer questions about the doctrine. And it's not really that the JW's later were not as sharp, but the doctrine started changing so much and was so goofy that many didn't bother to keep up with the chariot.
  
  Despite my never accepting it, I can at least explain it, like a good JW should be able to do.
  The short story- There was a group of JW's alive in 1914 whose lives significantly overlapped with JW's later, and without any reason whatsoever (other than that time is up on their old doctrines), they are saying the two groups are one big overlapping generation, and the end will come before the second group passes away.
  
  Basically, my great grandmother died at 103 and I was an adult before she passed, so our lives overlapped significantly. Despite her being 60 years older than me, the 'overlapping generation' crap says that my great grandmother and I are of the same generation.
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  Do You Believe Polls Saying Trump Will Lose To Biden?

  by minimus in

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  a new fox poll says biden is up by 12 percentage points.

  of course, most other polls say trump will be trounced this time around.. do you think the polls might be right this time?

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  Onthewayout... are you still believing Trump
  was a puppet of Russia?? Yep and he is a Russian agent

  There is definitely a pee tape
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  Do You Believe Polls Saying Trump Will Lose To Biden?

  by minimus in

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  a new fox poll says biden is up by 12 percentage points.

  of course, most other polls say trump will be trounced this time around.. do you think the polls might be right this time?

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  Hillary could not inspire people to vote FOR her. Now that people know what a buffoon Trump is, what a racist, narcissistic, incompetent, blackmailer, puppet of Russia, dictator-wanna-be, he really is, people will vote AGAINST Donald.

  Despite the Democratic choice, Biden will win.
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  Lloyd Evans exploitation videos.

  by phoenixrising in

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  i used to watch his videos on the monthly gb talks.

  he has went over the top a few times doing one video on why being liberal idiot is a good thing.

  he has made comments on the usa not knowing shit about what he was desperately trying to talk about.

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  Wow, I was with you when you opened the thread with some criticism of Lloyd. I don't even know which side of these USA issues Lloyd is on, but I got what you were saying because I know what kind of guy Lloyd is.
  
  But apparently, Lloyd is not the only one who "has made comments on the USA not knowing shit about what he was desperately trying to talk about."
  
  phoenixrising makes broad generalizations about liberals that are loaded with "absolutes." So now I can watch my back around phoenixrising, too.
  
  
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  Pioneer School Funny Picture

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. experiences

  found this on one of the exjw reddit pages.

  a "hilarious" group photo.

  another sign that this isnt the same religion we remembered of the 80s and 90s - and i dont mean that in a good, progressive way.. you can just smell the virginity oozing out of the front and back row.. .

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  While this is probably not the main photo they took, such antics would not have been allowed on any additional photos 'back in the day.'

  While Watchtower was always too stiff, too strict, I don't wish it to get even slightly more casual or lighten up on members' personal choices- for the simple reason that they will wake up easier if they see what a mind-control situation they are really in.
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  Did they use to applaud after reinstatement after being Disfellowshipped, but then it stopped?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  i don't remember disfellowshippings happening very often and announcements about being re instated but i think i remember that we used to clap hands if someone came back after being disfellowshipped.

  but then i think clapping wasn't allowed.

  am i correct in my recollections?.

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  Slimboyfat: "However they simply cannot resist their compulsion to micromanage situations and even prescribe the emotions you should be feeling when faced with complex issues that legitimately prompt a range of responses."

  One of the best responses I have read as to why they do what they do.
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  terrified but waking up, child abuse, suicide etc.

  by anon1028 in

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  2. friends

  im new to this forum, i dont know where else to post my story, sorry if im wrong for posting this on this subject.

  as i begin to wake up from being in the org i thought id introduce myself to this forum with how i was raised in the org..., ive been beginning to look at everyones stories from being raised as one and how they left, and i find comfort in knowing im not alone, so maybe another young person like me will find the same comfort reading my story.

  as you can tell by my username, i am posting this on an anonymous account because of fear of what the elders would do to me and my parents if they found out who i was.

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  Thank you for sharing something so private and difficult to express, Anon1028. Most here continue to be anonymous for obvious reasons.

  If you feel suicidal at some point from here on out, please seek help, no matter how much trouble your family gives or gets because of it. In the USA, possibly where you are writing from, calling 911 can start such a process of forcing the issue to get needed help. Also, if eating too little or too much is a continuous problem, try to find help.

  But if everything is manageable, and 911 is not your answer, there are other ways to get help. Consider researching, starting perhaps at Amazon, an author named Bonnie Zieman- a former JW who is a therapist and whose books are wonderful at helping JW's/ex-JW's work through depression or doubt or other things. Her books were not out when I went through my doubting, so I did heavy research through various channels including counseling that my insurance helped pay for. I discovered Bonnie's books later and thought they would have been better than my path of self-help books and videos, or at least a great supplement.

  While it doesn't seem like it now, realizing the need to escape Jehovah's Witnesses at this young stage will be a benefit to you.

  I don't quite understand your current position with your biological brothers/sisters. I only read your initial first post. Are they younger, older? Whatever the case, try to stay in their lives to help them or they might help you. If not possible, and along with siblings, many of us former JW's have developed great friendships and consider friends to be our family.

  And certainly consider the people here as desirous of helping. But remember many of us have a chip on our shoulders, so when we say "F#$k 'em!" about some people, analyzing it for yourself can be helpful. Analyzing all things for yourself will help.

  I understand that you might need to prioritize getting on your own. I probably would do the same. But also consider making your career goals, including any education. It can be slow going if need be, but always look to move forward.

  When I have time, I will read this whole thread. Despite being out awhile, I enjoy the advice and stories of others. Good day.
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  Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i agree with people who say all lives matter.

  i think blm is a racist group.

  if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

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  When they stood with Boston after the marathon bombing, the slogan "Boston Strong" was okay with virtually everyone. You did not hear people in Houston complaining that they were strong also.

  Same with Las Vegas after the concert shooting. Social media largely replaced the slogan about "what happens in Vegas" with [hashtag]VegasStrong. None of that is insulting to other cities.

  If people raise money and awareness for death-dealing strokes, it doesn't mean those people are for death by cancer.

  A group has a specific cause about black lives and some of you act as if they are against blue lives or white lives. Not at all. It's really no different from people fighting to save the whales and you all assume they wish porpoises would be killed.
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  new situation in world helpful to org?

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
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  sometimes new situations can provide cover for one’s mistakes or intentions.

  for example, suppose that i crack the windshield in my dad’s car one night.

  i go home, park the car in its usual spot in the yard, and go to bed without telling my dad because i’m scared and i’m trying to think of a way out of the situation.

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  The men in charge are mostly yes men brought in by previous G.B.. They are not only not inspired by Holy Spirit but are not really inspired in any way compared to the likes of Fred or Ray Franz or Russel or Rutherford.

  They are in charge at a horrible junction- the time where the internet easily exposes their doctrines and past as they try to reinvent themselves into jwdotorg and get away from Watchtower Bible and Tract printing company because print is nearly dead. Meanwhile, the exposure is creating lawsuits.

  So yeah, they could easily give up the Kingdom Halls. Recruiting is also dead anyway, so stealing the life force from their remnant is all they have left. That, and property.