hey, i discovered this older quote from reexamine.org.
i could not believe how serious it was about what a family .
member was not allowed to do with a disfellowshipped .
OTWO,
Hypocrisy and dis-honesty is rampant here, as many active elders and other rankage post here, yet do not share the wealth of information and support that they so freely gain, with their flocks, that they care so deeply for.
That astounds me. Does that level of deceit and selishness astound you? Do you think the flock should also be able to read and post here, on the most informative discussion site available? How can the rankage accomplish this?
sf, I don't get it. Explain all of it.
today happens to be friday the 13th and many people consider this to be a bad omen.
to you or any people you know subscribe to any superstitions?
i know someone who says that if someone drops a spoon a friend will be coming over and if a man is lucky enough to drop a fork then a woman will be coming over soon.
If you drop the dime on a famliy member, the elders will show up at his home. If you don't, they will never go.
i couldn't help notice there was a newbie posting one of the other threads, and that he had the photo of "butters" from south park and the screen name "butters".
i laughed out loud immediately.
butters in south park definetly seems like the guilible type to have been a jw.
Welcome, Butters.
when i came here in may, i began to see phrases like "voting with their wallets" or "voting with their feet" in regards to declining contributions and declining attendance figures.
i think i am seeing the former in action..... last sunday i went to the local ca.
at the half they read the accounts report--aka, cough up that dough report--and there was a "$4,000 deficit.
I will say it is not dishonest. The numbers are all there, you just need to
learn to read them (or write them down lightning fast).
It is greedy and misleading. They count on publishers hearing this, and
the ones who spent almost all their money to get to the assembly, who
decided to give a small amount, will break out the checkbook, after all,
there is still a major deficit. They don't really analyze the part where it was said
that there was 14,000 Dollars on hand at the start of the assembly.
Yes, I suspect that pressure will be placed on circuits to cover the lower
donations to World Wide Work, by asking them to vote more money to WTS
at the business meeting at Circuit Assemblies. Conventions and Assemblies
are huge cash-cows for WTS, but the numbers are incorporated into the whole
so people don't really notice them.
another example of the wts's loaded language that i actually find quite offensive.. the expression 'following a worldly course' is banded about, often in a similar context to that below, taken from the watchtower of may 1973 (convention review):.
the next oldest, a son, told how he also at one time wanted to go to college and follow a worldly course.
but his father sat down and reviewed the scriptures with him.. so, what is 'following a worldly course'?
Excellent post and link, M.J.
hey, i discovered this older quote from reexamine.org.
i could not believe how serious it was about what a family .
member was not allowed to do with a disfellowshipped .
Let's see if any active jws, elders and such that post here to get honest and tell us if they would actually kill an "apostate".
Like they would admit it. They can't. The WTS is clear that they can't do it, according to the Law (of Man and of God).
I am talking about attitude here. The WTS says, "You can't kill them, they are worthy of death, we used to kill them, so
you can, at the very least, treat them with the disgust that we tell you they deserve."
something that gets lost in the debate over whether the wts ever claimed in print that armageddon would come in 1975 is that they did teach, in print, that 1975 would be the end of 6,000 years of man's existance on earth.. what significance is that?
according to the wts, in print, jesus would start his new 1,000 year reign of peace at the start of the new "millenium".
satan would be abyssed, war will end, the wicked destroyed.. whether the wts said in so many words, "armageddon is coming in 1975" or not, it is strongly associated with the then coming 1,000 year period of peace and rule by jesus.
I had a thread on 1975 and everybody helped me with the answer.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/121888/1.ashx
Basically, the WTS has abandoned the teaching, but has never "changed" it.
Where they used to say "Creative days are 7000 years long" now they say "thousands of years."
The forum felt that they wanted older JW's to think they learned the truth of the matter
(No sense upsetting them, they might start researching)
Yet at the same time, newer JW would be able to imagine "thousands" as an indefinite and large number.
when i came here in may, i began to see phrases like "voting with their wallets" or "voting with their feet" in regards to declining contributions and declining attendance figures.
i think i am seeing the former in action..... last sunday i went to the local ca.
at the half they read the accounts report--aka, cough up that dough report--and there was a "$4,000 deficit.
Blondie, every circuit does it.
when i came here in may, i began to see phrases like "voting with their wallets" or "voting with their feet" in regards to declining contributions and declining attendance figures.
i think i am seeing the former in action..... last sunday i went to the local ca.
at the half they read the accounts report--aka, cough up that dough report--and there was a "$4,000 deficit.
Doubting Bro said:
OTWO,
I know many brothers will break up an expense into several $400 projects that never need to get voted on.
Yeah, I've seen that suggested a few times. However, 5 of the 7 elders pitched a fit at the suggestion and the idea was never mentioned again. I was shocked that someone would even suggest such a dishonest approach.
MOST bodies of elders won't do that, but MOST means "just over 50%." If you are at a KH with 3 to 8 congregations there, the odds are that some of them are doing it there. Look around to see if things are getting done inside and especially outside, that you never voted on.
hey, i discovered this older quote from reexamine.org.
i could not believe how serious it was about what a family .
member was not allowed to do with a disfellowshipped .
Thanks for sharing PandaPet,
I am happy for your fade, ability to have a family relationship of sorts with JW's. I hope to do the same.
