Posts by OnTheWayOut

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JW Labels and Titles

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

bottom to top:.

-governing body incl.

zone overseers, service, writing, etc commitee members.

OnTheWayOut

Here's part of your list with some others squeezed in

-The elders without one of the above assignments

Book Study assistant (reader and also visits members with the overseer on shepherding visits

-MS

-Pioneers

Brothers with privileges in the congregation (to handle work assignments- microphones, literature, reading)

-Aux Pioneers

Vacation Pioneers, Those who use vacations to auxilary or go to unassigned territory

-Strong Publishers

Regular Publishers

Unbaptized Publishers

Approved associates

-Misses a few meetings here and there publishers

Bible Students

Irregular Publishers

Interested ones

-Inactive publishers

-DF/DA

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I wonder why????

by seek2find in

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friends

why does the soceity have the kn37 message available in sign language on there web site but not a print version, can't people that don't hear still read?

and if the message is so important shouldn't it be the main topic there?

i don't get it.

The deaf in the United States are responding to the preaching of JW's.
This response causes the Service Dept. to give some latitude to Sign language. "Do what you need to do to get a positive
response without spending too much money." I am confident that the deaf responding in the U. S. are not contributing over-
whelmingly to the World Wide Work, but they are not a huge burden on costs, either. This said, I am also confident that
the GB is hopeful that Sign Language and other foreign language groups in the U.S. will keep the growth numbers in the
positive for a few years, while more effort is made to trim costs and focus on other areas of the world that are more profitable.

Groups like the deaf are huge internet users, though. It is only a matter of time before the Sign Language congregations are
full of interested persons asking lots of questions. I imagine that foreign language groups in the U.S. love the internet, too.

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I wonder why????

by seek2find in

jw
friends

why does the soceity have the kn37 message available in sign language on there web site but not a print version, can't people that don't hear still read?

and if the message is so important shouldn't it be the main topic there?

i don't get it.

OnTheWayOut

TO: On the way out, So I guess the method of delivery is the Paramount thing. So much for the importance of the message, huh. seek2find

Yes, If the importance of the message was the thing, they would use modern technology
to place ads in Times Square and in other cities, popular magazines, television and radio shows.

If the GB truly thought the "end is imminent" they would do more to spread the word, and not
plan for the future with their assets. This is a "keep busy" effort that will have little effect on
the public, but will allow rank and file to feel good about themselves.

This is my first month reporting ZERO field service in my fade. I can't wait to see how they
talk about this important work that I am abstaining from. Honestly, what do you think most
people will do with their Kingdom News #37?

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I wonder why????

by seek2find in

jw
friends

why does the soceity have the kn37 message available in sign language on there web site but not a print version, can't people that don't hear still read?

and if the message is so important shouldn't it be the main topic there?

i don't get it.

OnTheWayOut

They don't want to just "give" the information in the tract to people via the website. They want
to keep the publishers busy "placing" it, brag about how many were placed, and get JW's
in a habit of handing out material that is small, cheap. The only reason the Sign Language
version is available at the website is, so that deaf people who are handed the printed tract with
a sticker mentioning the website, can take a look in their primary language. They won't know to
look unless they get a tract or another deaf person tells them to look. They could have given the
deaf the CD (publishers in sign language have one each) but that costs more than the tract.

What could they brag about if JW's told people to go to the website. "Well folks, we got
50 million hits, but only 4000 accurate addresses out of our website. Looks like most of
humanity is ready to be destroyed." No, they would rather say they places 30 to 40 million
tracts, obtained many new interested ones, restarted many inactive publishers.

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Did anyone watch 48 Hours Mystery last Saturday....

by sunshineToo in

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friends

on scientology?

the title was "a question of faith.

" http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/48hours/main3410.shtml.

OnTheWayOut

I saw the program. They definitely seem warped, but television is sensationalism.
If they did the program about WTS, it could make them look just as warped.

In the future, people will rewrite the Scientology history to elevate Hubbard's
beginnings.

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JW Reform, It will NEVER happen...

by AuldSoul in

i have read several posts by posters who fervently hope jws will become a mainstream religion, or will become "the truth," or will stop teaching this doctrine, or tweak that one, and "oh, if they would only [fill in the blank].".

such dreaming will, in the end, come to naught.

there are practical reasons why.. (1) the rank and file have no authority over the governing body.. (2) the rank and file do not hold sway over any of the corporate interests.. (3) the vast majority of memorial partakers are not credible in the eyes of the governing body, nor do they have any authority over anything.. (4) the organization shows a willingness to publicly claim beliefs to which jehovah's witnesses do not actually subscribe in order to improve public image (see lisa's interview with j.r. brown), while retaining the same hard-line beliefs in reality.. (5) the governing body is unwilling to relinquish control over the organization, to share authority with underlings (e.g.

OnTheWayOut

This is a great thread. The opinions all bring up many great points. We don't really
know what the future of WTS will be, but I will add my agreement on many points made.

The GB allows upwardly mobile members to succeed only by total agreement with
current doctrined and support for it.

Rutherford did totally reform the WTS and allowed it to be adaptable from then on, no
really major reform has taken place since then, only adapting. The changes that took
place in 1995 were necessary adaptations. Many other changes are the result of
lawsuits, government rules, and the pocketbook. (No matter what we might say, the
pocketbook is the ultimate guide to what should be done.)

My opinion is that the WTS will remain as firm and radical as it can be to be attractive
to people looking for that. They won't be able to outrun the information superhighway,
so their membership drives will become less effective. Eventually, they will try to adapt
their stand on issues to increase membership and decrease people quitting the org., but
their adaptations will be too little, too late, they won't work.

All theories from that point on will be just guesses. The corporation may survive without
the GB influence and become something else. The GB may continue to downsize and
hold out for the "end" doing any radical last-minute efforts to stay alive, including
abandoning the United States entirely and finding a new place to take their remaining
millions.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-29-06 WT Study (REJOICE WIFE)

by blondie in

www.reexamine.org (wt publications online).

http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm (united nations issue).

with her love may you be in an ecstasy constantly.".

OnTheWayOut

Thanks Blondie,

As a fader, I will be at the meeting. Now I can try to focus on some of your comments while holding my tongue.

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Jehovah in NWT

by becca1 in

i've seen mentioned here that the nwt 's use of the name jehovah is incorrect or overused.

can anyone tell me more about this and show proof?

thanks.

OnTheWayOut

I wanted a complete answer. I downloaded and printed this 70 page book from the internet. Great stuff

http://www.europa.com/~lynnlund/copydivname.htm

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GoOdy NiGht!

by TheKings in

i don't know if that's the universal jw term for potluck nights or if all congregations have them but all the ones i went to had a potluck night at the book studies once a month.

does anybody have any good stories related to these occasions?

tonight my family is going to a potluck night and as usual they asked me to make something for it.

OnTheWayOut

i like cooking for people even if i don't agree with the WTS.

So, news flash- you are a goood person, regardless of what the WTS says.

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On the fence (first post)

by nonamegiven in

well, i stumbled onto this site and decided, after reading a bit to post.. who am i?

i am "no longer one of jehovah's witnesses" as they say now, they no longer use the word "disfellowshipped" in the announcments now.

why am i df'd?

OnTheWayOut

Welcome,

whether you are a believer or not, you are welcome here. TheKings is right, the talk said that "Satan owns the fence."

While you are deciding what to do, you can learn much here. The thing is that you might learn that you don't

want to be a JW again. Most people here have come to realize the problems with the organization- hypocrisy,

twisting ancient Greek to fit doctrine, doctrine that ignores science and history.

Still, there is nothing wrong with your going back, just to regain family relations. Many of us (myself included)

have decided to become inactive over time, so that we don't get DF'ed. That's called fading.

Just wanted to say one more thing you need to know:

WARNING- You may not be able to fake repentence after you learn the truth.