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  Things I trust more than the Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. social
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  i stole this, from of all places, rick fearon.

  i don't know who he stole it from.

  please think of more.. things i trust more than the jehovah's witnesses governing body+ the media+ mexican tap water+ cappuccino from bill cosby+ a bigfoot sighting+ a politician who says "trust me"+ an al qaeda who wants flying lessons, but skips landing and take-offs+ a hillary clinton war story+ bill clinton wanting to give a speech at an all-female school+ gas station sushi+ a brian williams or bill o'rielly news report+ email from a nigerian prince.

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  + Bernie Madoff with my life savings

  + Chris Christie with my pizza

  Those two are great.

  One more:

  + Rick Fearon
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  Things I trust more than the Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i stole this, from of all places, rick fearon.

  i don't know who he stole it from.

  please think of more.. things i trust more than the jehovah's witnesses governing body+ the media+ mexican tap water+ cappuccino from bill cosby+ a bigfoot sighting+ a politician who says "trust me"+ an al qaeda who wants flying lessons, but skips landing and take-offs+ a hillary clinton war story+ bill clinton wanting to give a speech at an all-female school+ gas station sushi+ a brian williams or bill o'rielly news report+ email from a nigerian prince.

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  I stole this, from of all places, Rick Fearon. I don't know who he stole it from. Please think of more.
  
  

  Things I trust more than the Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body
  
  + The media
  + Mexican tap water
  + Cappuccino from Bill Cosby
  + A Bigfoot sighting
  + A politician who says "Trust me"
  + An Al Qaeda who wants flying lessons, but skips landing and take-offs
  + A Hillary Clinton War story
  + Bill Clinton wanting to give a speech at an all-female school
  + Gas station sushi
  + A Brian Williams or Bill O'rielly news report
  + Email from a Nigerian prince
  

  
  
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  Trapped.

  by trapped28 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i write this,im aware of my heart hammering in my chest.ok where shall i start,ill try to keep this as short as possible.ive never been religious before in my life,the occasional wedding or funeral was the only time ive been in a church or viewed a bibles cover.in 2013 my step-dad was diagnosed with cancer and had to go for an operation to remove the tumor.i became close to his nephew and we communicated a lot and had a few strong feelings for each other,but neither of us told anyone,it was just harmless flirting and a few hugs that lasted a bit longer than normal.two days after my dads operation,he died through complications,and my path of self destruct was set.my boss had also been sexually harassing me at work and i was unfairly dismissed and was told by my landlord that i was to pay the rent or be evicted.then out of the blue my cousin tells me he was an unbaptised publisher (he was baptised at the aug convention last year)and to start having faith in god,that it would all work out.so i went to a kh and took up a study.that was a year ago and they now feel im ready to become a publisher.the thing is..i was made homless and am living with a jw of 50 years,a real spiritual person.these last two months ive been researching and i simply like you all disagree with so much of it.for the past twi weeks ive avoided meetings because of work,or pretended im at work and stayed away from the home i have with this witness.i cant afford to leave but at same time im being pushed to go into ministry and meetings.guys what the hell am i going to do?im so trapped scared and i cant believe i wanted to get baptised!

  !my son lives with his dad and there trying to get a hold on him when he visits me!

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  The number one advice is "DO NOT GET BAPTIZED." Yes.

  But also, you don't have to be on the Ministry school or a regular publisher. If they gave you a school part, panic and cancel. "I can't do it." Simple as that.

  And simply say "I am not ready yet" to the ministry and turning in time. Don't let them dictate terms. You can drag your feet.
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  Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Assist With Disaster Relief? (In Nepal)

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do jehovahs witnesses assist with disaster relief in nepal?.

  http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/assist-with-disaster-relief/.

  what say ye?.

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  For the roughly 2000 JW's in Nepal, I can imagine that Watchtower will try to milk between half a million dollars and two million dollars out of the European and United States members.

  One of the ways donations sent to the branch offices of Jehovah’s Witnesses are used is to relieve victims of disasters. (Acts 11:27-30;2 Corinthians 8:13-15) Since the work is performed by unpaid volunteers, the funds that are allocated go toward actual relief, not administrative expenses. We are careful with all donations.—2 Corinthians 8:20.

  From their own words, ONE of the ways money is used is to relieve victims. If the Kingdom Halls are damaged, they will get the buildings back up. They will offer to help these victims some. I could imagine some $300,000 being spent. The rest goes in their pockets.

  And I love how they brag that funds go toward actual relief, not administrative expenses. They brag by mentioning that the workers are unpaid volunteers. Yeah, the goodness of people keeps expenses down. And all this means is that any money that finds it's way to relief has little administrative expenses attached. They don't mention how much money the disaster raises and how much is spent on actual relief.

  I am sorry. This is a sore spot for me. Good people want to help and Watchtower makes it a cash cow.
  
  
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  Kind of looking for a quick update

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been out of the religion since 1996. i used to come to former witness boards a lot in the distant past, and then i lost interest in the subject.

  however, with a couple relatives still in and passing the 1914 one hundred year mark, i find myself looking to see what a modern jehovah's witness is believing.

  could i get kind of an update on some things.

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  While they still believe the end could come any minute, they now teach that the "generation" in the Bible was one that started with anointed seeing the beginning of the sign about 1914 and includes the lifetime of other anointed ones whose lifespan overlaps theirs and continue's until the last part of the sign. (Yes, it makes no sense.) They don't really talk about how much time has passed except that it's short to Jehovah.

  The work is done, the work goes on. They say it all. There was something about community responsibility, which means if China prevents the preaching, all the Chinese destroyed by God is on them, not him. Similar to a child destroyed because his parents rejected the doctrine.

  the growth is tiny tiny tiny. Might soon be fictional. They act like they are growing. If they ever report negative numbers, they will probably say its evidence that the time is near.

  While the 7 Governing Body members are the leaders, and more visible than they used to be, appearing on video on the Internet, lawyers probably make all the final decisions.

  they could not beat off the Internet and embrace it now. They seem to be totally reinventing themselves as jw . Or and will be completely different from their past eventually.
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  CO says "WE ARE NOW AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!"

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  40-50 years after saying "armegeddon is right around the corner" we are now making progress!!!.

  gotta have a sense of humor to deal with this stuff..

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  CO says "WE ARE NOW AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!"

  Oh yeah, I meant the FIRST THRESHOLD.

  The crossing of the threshold is the point of no return, which is important to understand. Watchtower's doctrine has taken us to (maybe past) the first threshold and crossing it means there is no turning back. At least that's what they want you to think. You were fooled, you have too much invested in "soon" and you must believe it will really happen any any any moment now. Members are like the gambler at roulette playing red (when you should always bet on black). If he just keeps doubling down every time he loses, he will eventually win. Before he knows it, he's betting an entire life's savings.
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  CO says "WE ARE NOW AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!"

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  40-50 years after saying "armegeddon is right around the corner" we are now making progress!!!.

  gotta have a sense of humor to deal with this stuff..

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  "Closer Than This"
  
  

  Off the ground headin for another take
  I remember all the sounds you used to make
  But I keep my down despite the animals on your face
  How many times have I said
  
  I've got a feeling we will never get closer than this
  I can't imagine there's a way to get closer than this
  
  Catch up with the other kids
  Even falling far behind
  Starlight in the middle of the Ocean
  Opens up my heart tonight
  
  I've got a feeling we will never get closer than this
  I can't imagine there's a way to get closer than this
  I've got a feeling we will never get closer than this
  I can't imagine there's a way to get closer than this
  
  And I keep on pushin
  Keep on pushin
  Keep on pushin on
  Oh we keep on pushin
  Keep on pushin
  Keep on pushin on
  
  I've got a feeling we will never get closer than this
  I can't imagine there's a way to get closer than this
  I've got a feeling we will never get closer than this
  I can't imagine there's a way to get closer than this
  
  And we keep on pushin
  Keep on pushin
  Keep on pushin on
  And we keep on pushin
  Keep on pushin
  Keep on pushin on

  
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJTeHVurWpc
  
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  Questions for those that believe in Electricity

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you can't see electricity or hear it or feel it.

  well, there are sparks and lightning bolts and heating elements and the light and heat of filaments.

  and somehow, it lights up neon in a tube.

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  Heaven, they say the video is slowed down to show the motion clearly.
  It ain't clear to me. So electricity is like the flow of water through a pipe or what? How does an electron flow on a light wave? Is it like surfing? Not to knock Swedish researchers. But that just puts me back at Square One.
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  Trapped.

  by trapped28 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i write this,im aware of my heart hammering in my chest.ok where shall i start,ill try to keep this as short as possible.ive never been religious before in my life,the occasional wedding or funeral was the only time ive been in a church or viewed a bibles cover.in 2013 my step-dad was diagnosed with cancer and had to go for an operation to remove the tumor.i became close to his nephew and we communicated a lot and had a few strong feelings for each other,but neither of us told anyone,it was just harmless flirting and a few hugs that lasted a bit longer than normal.two days after my dads operation,he died through complications,and my path of self destruct was set.my boss had also been sexually harassing me at work and i was unfairly dismissed and was told by my landlord that i was to pay the rent or be evicted.then out of the blue my cousin tells me he was an unbaptised publisher (he was baptised at the aug convention last year)and to start having faith in god,that it would all work out.so i went to a kh and took up a study.that was a year ago and they now feel im ready to become a publisher.the thing is..i was made homless and am living with a jw of 50 years,a real spiritual person.these last two months ive been researching and i simply like you all disagree with so much of it.for the past twi weeks ive avoided meetings because of work,or pretended im at work and stayed away from the home i have with this witness.i cant afford to leave but at same time im being pushed to go into ministry and meetings.guys what the hell am i going to do?im so trapped scared and i cant believe i wanted to get baptised!

  !my son lives with his dad and there trying to get a hold on him when he visits me!

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  Try to put it all on hold the best you can. Say that you have some personal "doubts" and want to stop that ministry until you face those fully. I say to use the word "doubt" as it will automatically trigger them to make allowances for your delaying the ministry and the baptism.

  Don't offer details. Be firm. "I will do my research. You already taught me how to do that." You may have to continue going to the KH if you are so sure you are financially stuck. But really, they can't make you do more, no matter what they say. If they are still studying with you, cancel at the last minute or the morning of your study a few times, then say that you were dealing with something personal. If they get mad, suggest putting the study on hold for a few weeks (which could lead into much longer).

  Get yourself out of that financial bind. Work more, save more. Whatever you have to do. Find a different roommate who is a stranger or friend, but not a JW. After you leave that house, you don't have to bother with them. Drop them cold and say you worked out your doubts.
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  Dangerous "Pent up" feelings inside of most witnesses?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have often wondered if there is more harm done to people who are stifled or smothered from expressing their natural conduct, feelings or actions because of it being condemned by religious ideals?.

  so if a person keeps suppressing their real personality and tries to mould themselves to the "perfect" or "ideal" version as expected from those controlling them, could they eventually "bust" so to speak?.

  for instance, witnesses condemn many forms of entertainment.

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  Religion invented "sin." Sin is used to apply guilt to the member in order for them to try to minimize the guilt through donations. Apparently, back in the days the donation could have been a goat or other prized meat animal. But it eventually turned to money.

  The dangerous mind-control cult known as Watchtower uses that very much so. You feel guilty that you didn't get more than the average number of hours in recruiting, or that you didn't ask for voluntary donations at the door, or that you skipped a meeting or three. You feel guilty that you watched an R-rated movie or viewed pornography or listened to rap music.

  Yes, the guilt is way more damaging than the act, because the act is typically NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF.

  I do not subscribe to even the existence of "SIN" anymore. Evil exists and so does bad intent and mistakes. But conforming a conscience to feel guilty over matters that should be personal decisions is just wrong. If one person feels that abortion is okay or that casual sex is okay, they may change their feelings later and they may not. But I no longer judge that person. Who am I to determine these matters for another person?