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  "This system will probably be over in about 5 years"

  by john.prestor in

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  i don't think i shared this story yet, it's strange and although i did a little detective work trying to figure out who said what and when i never found out much, big surprise, jehovah's witnesses love their secrets as we all know... but i thought other posters might find this interesting both in and of itself, because of what an elder told me one sunday back in 2011, and because of what it could imply as to high-ranking jehovah's witnesses prophesying the date of armageddon.

  specific dates went out the window in 1975, although governing body helper ken flodin hinted at 2040 in a talk uploaded to jw.org a couple years back, and the governing body hinted at 2034 in a watchtower back in the 90s.

  but it might be, just might, that more specific date-setting still goes on behind closed doors in certain circuits.... so after i went to "meetings" and talked to witnesses for a couple years at a rural congregation in the eastern united states an elder pulled me aside one service into the vestibule at the hall, in other words, into a private area where no one would overhear us.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Hey, I faded more than 10 years ago, and some told me "This system cannot last another 10 years."

  Just keep moving the goalpost. Don't look back at expectations, verbalized or not, or you will turn into a pillar of salt.
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  What Are Your Rights?

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

  say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

  people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

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  OnTheWayOut

  From George Carlin:

  Folks I hate to spoil your fun, but... there's no such thing as rights. They're imaginary. We made 'em up. Like the boogie man. Like Three Little Pigs, Pinocio, Mother Goose, shxt like that. Rights are an idea. They're just imaginary. They're a cute idea. Cute. But that's all. Cute...and fictional. But if you think you do have rights, let me ask you this, "where do they come from?" People say, "They come from God. They're God given rights." Awww fxxx, here we go again...here we go again.

  
  The God excuse, the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument, "It came from God." Anything we can't describe must have come from God. Personally folks, I believe that if your rights came from God, he would've given you the right for some food every day, and he would've given you the right to a roof over your head. GOD would've been looking out for ya. You know that.
  
  He wouldn't have been worried making sure you have a gun so you can get drunk on Sunday night and kill your girlfriend's parents.

  But let's say it's true. Let's say that God gave us these rights. Why would he give us a certain number of rights?

  The Bill of Rights of this country has 10 stipulations. OK...10 rights. And apparently God was doing sloppy work that week, because we've had to ammend the bill of rights an additional 17 times. So God forgot a couple of things, like...SLAVERY. Just fxxxin' slipped his mind.
  
  But let's say...let's say God gave us the original 10. He gave the british 13. The british Bill of Rights has 13 stipulations. The Germans have 29, the Belgians have 25, the Swedish have only 6, and some people in the world have no rights at all. What kind of a fxxxin' god damn god given deal is that!?...NO RIGHTS AT ALL!?

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  Now, if you think you do have rights, I have one last assignment for ya. Next time you're at the computer get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, i want to type in, "Japanese-Americans 1942" and you'll find out all about your precious fxxxing rights. Alright. You know about it.
  
  In 1942 there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens, in good standing, law abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had was...right this way! Into the internment camps.
  
  Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most...their government took them away. and rights aren't rights if someone can take em away. They're privileges.
  

  
  
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  Just wanted to share my little bit of good news.

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. family

  i haven't been posting here much lately, i think i only created one topic in 2018!

  but this is worth it.. i am a grandfather 😊.

  it happens all the time but damn, it feels good.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Great post. Congrats. Rock on!!!
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  I Am Still Here! Another Birthday look back at one helluva lifetime

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when the doctor pulled my screaming body out of mom all those 7 decades ago, i landed in a post-wwii world.the world of 1947--compared to today's world--an alien planet.. the world i live in today has nothing in common with the world in which i grew up.. there were no cell phones back then--there were black telephones with a dial-tone and an operator who placed your call.

  everywhere you found telephone booths!

  a call was a nickel.where did all those telephone booths go?i dunno.where did my whole world go?i dunno.. tv sets were huge boxes with tubes and small screens.

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  My dad is about 5 years older than you, so I am going to take some of what you posted here and come up with a birthday thing for him next year. Growing up from virtually any point in the first half of the 2oth century allows one to have seen fascinating changes.
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  Crisis of Conscience is being delivered to my door today. I can't wait

  by Fognomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since i have no one else to talk to about what i am going through, i just thought i would let this group know that i have .

  crisis of conscience coming to my front door today.

  i already know what i will say if my wife says something.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Great book, I wish you happy reading and I wish you well answering up about reading it.
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  Demon Posessed Rock Bands I couldn’t listen to

  by hoser in

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  2. friends

  kiss.

  steve miller band (abracadabra).

  eagles.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I gave up classic rock to join JW's at about 23 years old. Loved, Zep, Floyd, AC DC, Eagles, Talking Heads, etc. etc.

  I went back to it. My self-induced theme song for my life is "Back in Black" by AC DC- as a tribute to my old, revived rock n roller personality. Forget the hearse because I never die(d).

  I go to concerts from old rockers before they cease, including AC DC, Sting, Peter Gabriel, Foreigner, Cheap Trick, Ozzy, Steely Dan, Fleetwood Mac, Foghat, Deep Purple, and more.

  I never saw Led Zeppelin, but have seen Jon Bonham's cover band several times. Never saw Pink Floyd but saw cover bands Brit Floyd and Australian Pink Floyd.
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  Did you actually read the bible end to end?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my ten years as a witness i never read the whole bible end to end, what with four magazines a month, the book study, meetings and talk preparations, there just wasn’t the time.

  i knew all the important references to ‘prove’ the various jw doctrines, and the cherry picked chapters that help foster the idea that it’s a good book, but that’s not reading it.

  well after nearly forty years out, i decided i would do it.

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  Not a good Bible (yeah- oxymoron) but I kept up with the 5-year schedule for the New World Translation completely once around.

  When you read with a JW mindset, and a JW schedule, you typically have no time left to question what you read.

  Otherwise, I agree on this:

  "And as for God, well words fail me to describe his disgusting behaviour. "
  
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  You Don't Have to Tell the Elders Anything!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you were ever brought before a judicial committee, and were about to be interrogated by the elders, just remember...you owe them nothing.

  they are mere men and no better than you!

  even if it wasn’t a judicial interrogation , you should never feel obligated to them.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Excellent post subject, Minimus.

  Truly, whether you are questioning the org or are involved in a violation of the rules, steer clear of the elders.
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  Is the org. Laying the groundwork for no earthly paradise?

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in stephen letts annual meeting talk he spent about 15min.

  talking about how the garden of eden compares to our spiritual paradise that we are currently inhabiting.

  he didn't mention the earthly paradise until the very last sentence.

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  Physical Paradise is a core concept. They won't ditch it. Its just that they want to keep bracing the members for unrealized expectations, so they may not get Paradise soon, but they already have spiritual Paradise.
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  WT Study October 2018....spinning ''layoffs'' into ''reassigning'' ex-Bethelites ''to the field''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wt study october 2018. maintain inner peace despite changing circumstances.

  lloyd and alexandra learn that they have been reassigned to the field, they at first felt sad.

  after all, they had been serving at bethel for over 25 years.

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  Bethel layoffs in the earlier 2000's were what pushed me over the edge at actually looking to the internet for what is wrong with Watchtower.

  Its the Bethel "family." I thought they should have found a way to keep people and just not ever bring new ones in uf old ones were getting the boot. Send them out of the printing press to do something, but feed and shelter them.