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  Would the world be a better place without religion?

  by pistolpete in

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  i know what you’re gonna say---------everyone has a right to believe whatever they want.. but the question above is not about everyone’s right to believe whatever.. the question is very specific------will the world be a better place----without religion.

  think for a while what the world would be like without any religion.. no conflicts between islam and christianity.. no conflicts between different sects of christianity.

  (example; jehovah’s witnesses vs catholics).

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  It is cute that you claim to "know what [I am] gonna say. Ex-JW's are a crowd just like a herd of cats- all wanting to do our own thing and think our own way, so you really can't know what we are going to say.

  Initially, I want to say that the world will definitely be a better place without religion. But I have to clarify that it would only be so under certain conditions.

  You say there would be "No conflicts between Islam and Christianity, No conflicts between different sects, No families being broken up because of Religious belief."

  I remember seeing an episode of South Park that helps with this.
  The character, Cartman is hundreds of years in the future due to cryogenic suspension. Worldwide atheism has eradicated religion. Atheism has in turn split into three hostile denominations at perpetual war over the so-called "great question": Cartman discovers the nature of the "great question": the war is being fought over which denomination name is the most logical for atheists to call themselves.
  
  There is war over what name should be used for Worldwide Atheism, so essentially 3 religions or "sects" have been created, split over a stupid issue. And that could happen if religion did not exist- groups could be so divided over issues like liberalism vs. conservatism, homeschooling vs. traditional schooling, so many issues- many of which are just like religious arguments today. Families could be broken up over issues like who they voted for.
  
  I would love to see religion gone- a major cause of division. But it would not solve all the problems that exist primarily because of religious divide.
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  How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

  by pistolpete in

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  2. beliefs

  i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

  by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

  all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

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  All of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s There is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the WT is not God Organization.
  Any jw under 50 years of age I don't consider, for the most part, a True Believer.
  
  
  Yes, I will agree with that thought from the opening post. There might be a handful of true believers under 50, but not really many.
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  Did The Witnesses Mess Up Your Sex Life?

  by minimus in

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  most of the witnesses i knew never really talked about sex.

  whatever couples did was pretty much kept quiet.

  every once in a while a wife might complain to the elders or a friend that the husband is too demanding or even immoral because of the sex practices the husband wanted.

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  It is a great question. While I won't share my thoughts on my life in my answer, the answer is "Yes" for everyone.
  
  Yes, I can speak for everyone.
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  Prove That Jehovah’s Witnesses Do Not Have The “Truth”

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  someone is researching jehovah’s witnesses.

  they happen to come on to this site.

  do the witnesses have the truth??.

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  What evidence would I provide?
  
  It depends on the person and what they need to convince them. For the most part, I would steer people to the same kinds of places I went to, one primary internet site being jwfactsdotcom. If they need their hand held to guitde them, we could discuss changes in doctrine and policy, flip-flops on Bible understanding, or we could go to covering up the UN involvement and more current situations like hiding pedophiles.
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  Would you leave the Watchtower if you woke up at age 80 plus, or just stay in for the rest of your life.

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so yesterday while i was doing some work for a customer, i noticed the wt mags on the sofa.

  and i asked the elderly man if he was a jehovah witness?.

  he said that he and his wife and all his children were raised in the religion, but only he and his wife attend the meetings or zoom.

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  All his children had left the religion.

  
  Well, hold on there a minute. At such a late stage in life, I might trade in my "friends" for a closer relationship with my own children. There just isn't enough information here. I could go along with my wife and "stay" if we had absolutely nobody else to turn to in order to, but even then- we would have each other.
  
  Well-meaning friends are awesome, but I just don't think I could keep my mouth shut in order to have rides to the doctor or grocery errands from younger friends or people to spend time with.
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  Why do some people who were trapped in the WT and wake up, still believe in the Bible God who allowed them to be deceived for years.

  by pistolpete in

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  2. beliefs

  why do some people who were trapped in the wt and wake up after much frustration and anger that they were lied to, still believe in the bible god who allowed them and their families to be deceived and trapped for years.

  i have an acquaintance who is a lot older than me and for the past 30 years he has been out of the watchtower religion and is sola scriptura.

  sola scriptura is a theological doctrine that posits the christian scriptures as the sole infallible source of authority for christian faith and practice.

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  I had a long answer but this forum dropped it.
  
  I am right there with you Pistol Pete.
  I turned my entire life over to "God" whoever he was in my young 20's when I had reached rock bottom in my life. Jehovah's Witnesses came in like vultures and took advantage of that.
  If the God that Christianity describes were there, He would have intervened and recognized my sincerity to do "His" will. If He chose not to intervene, then I don't need to worship that.

  Taking the personal story out of it, the same can be said for the 2004 Indonesia Tsunami. If more than 200,000 people can be torn away from life, tens of thousands (probably greater than half of that number) being children, and God stands by- we don't need to worship that.
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  Why do some people who were trapped in the WT and wake up, still believe in the Bible God who allowed them to be deceived for years.

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why do some people who were trapped in the wt and wake up after much frustration and anger that they were lied to, still believe in the bible god who allowed them and their families to be deceived and trapped for years.

  i have an acquaintance who is a lot older than me and for the past 30 years he has been out of the watchtower religion and is sola scriptura.

  sola scriptura is a theological doctrine that posits the christian scriptures as the sole infallible source of authority for christian faith and practice.

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  OnTheWayOut

  pistolpete
  Why do some people who were trapped in the WT and wake up after much frustration and anger that they were lied to, still believe in the Bible God who allowed them and their families to be deceived and trapped for years.
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  Hip Hip Hooray yyy

  by smiddy3 in

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  hi friends i`ve finally got an appointment to go to hospital tomorrow ,pre-admission for my hip replacement surgery.. so if you don`t hear from me ever again ,it means i`ve carked it .lol, should i even joke about that ?.

  so its goodnight from me till who knows when ?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Glad you made it. You will soon be break dancing again.
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  Accepting the reason why the Watchtower Corporation and its top leaders are endeavored to brainwash people

  by Rocketman123 in

  1. watchtower
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  taking a close look at the operation of the jws religion you can observe technics of brainwashing orchestrated through the literature the wts publishes for its members such as the watchtower .. everything these men have done had calculating agendas, which were to firstly attract attention to the literature they published, to cultivate power toward themselves, to intentionally take control over people's lives and of course draw in money.. brainwashing (also known as mind control, menticide, coercive persuasion, thought control, thought reform, and re-education) is the concept that the human mind can be altered or controlled by certain psychological techniques.

  brainwashing is said to reduce its subjects' ability to think critically or independently,[1] to allow the introduction of new, unwanted thoughts and ideas into their minds,[2] as well as to change their attitudes, values and beliefs.

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  OnTheWayOut

  "Brainwash" is one of those words that instantly shuts people down.
  If I tell a JW about brainwashing, they just know that they are able to think some for themselves and the idea is crazy to them.
  
  Even here among people who are no longer in the religion, you will get arguments about the term.
  
  Watchtower is a dangerous mind-control cult. But that's just as bad to say.

  Given the chance, I would start with "high control" group. And then I would use Steve Hassan's BITE method without identifying where it comes from.
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  When was your last Kingdom Hall meeting?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i stopped going to kingdom hall meetings about nine years ago.

  i was fading for the longest time, refused to go out in field service, dropped out of the ministry school talks, no longer answered at the watchtower study, arrived at the meetings the last second, and left as soon as possible.

  i couldn't take attending the meetings any longer.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I went to my nephew's Kingdom Hall wedding about 3 years ago. I went to my father-in-law's "memorial" a few years before that. But I quit going to any regular meetings at the 2007 Memorial and I went to the 2008 Memorial one year later, and that is really the end of it.
  
  I may attend a few more Kingdom Hall "funerals" or "memorials" to a family member, but it will depend on circumstances.