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  Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

  by Hellrider in

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  i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

  ...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

  i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

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  Mondo1

  DD

  I think you're missing the point. Your question was based upon that idea. Without that idea, the question was not valid. Get it?
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  New World Translation Brackets!!

  by gold_morning in

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  for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

  the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

  at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

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  Mondo1

  I don't see any loose ends and I didn't say people are morons, but if a person doesn't understand anything about the original language of a text or how an Interlinear is translated, they came come to numerous false conclusions about the quality of a translation.
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  Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

  by Hellrider in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

  ...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

  i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

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  Mondo1

  Your premise was that Jesus was Michael, and I said that is untrue, so yes I did correct you. Your interpretation of 1Thes. 4:17 is bad, so the fact that you are using the NWT or any other Bible isn't helping you. ....

  and for my honest answer, I didn't hold back. It was the first time you'd asked me if he was flesh or spirit.
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  New World Translation Brackets!!

  by gold_morning in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

  the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

  at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

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  Mondo1

  My point was only that comparing an interlinear to a translation is not very wise unless you understand a little bit about what is going on. If you don't understand anything one can come away saying something is "mistranslated" when it really isn't.
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  New World Translation Brackets!!

  by gold_morning in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

  the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

  at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

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  Mondo1

  I can understand what you are saying, from your perspective. One thing I would note about Paul is that he seems to acknowledge that in certain statements of his somethings are obvious in their exclusion. (cf. 1cor 15:27)
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  Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

  by Hellrider in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

  ...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

  i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

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  Mondo1

  And what does it being based upon the NWT have to do with anything? It really doesn't matter what Bible you're using, the issue still remains.
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  New World Translation Brackets!!

  by gold_morning in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

  the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

  at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

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  Mondo1

  Leolaia,

  I really don't see how what you said has much impact on the overall point. Indeed, Satan is subject to God and Christ, but to use eirhnopoiew to describe it is simply not proper. It simply does not describe the entering of a state that God and Satan ever are shown to enter. He is always at war with God, right to the end and then that still doesn't happen, but he is then thrown into the lake of fire.

  Mondo
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  New World Translation Brackets!!

  by gold_morning in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

  the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

  at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

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  Mondo1

  Nakrissos,

  Many Bible commentators hold to such a view, and they would justify it by their view of "the creation" within Romans 8. So one might appeal to that for justification of what I have set forth, though I don't think it is necessary.

  I would further note that no reconciliation ever takes place with Satan. He is thrown into the lake of fire and punished forever, but no peace is made with him.

  Mondo
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  Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

  by Hellrider in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

  ...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

  i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

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  Mondo1

  Your question was based upon a false premise, so I corrected you, making it rather pointless to answer the question. The answer is sorta both. He is a resurrected man, but in the resurrection we note in Phil 3 that the body is "changed" and the change takes it from flesh to spirit. (1Pet. 3:18)
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  Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

  by Hellrider in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

  ...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

  i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

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  Mondo1

  It doesn't say that is his voice.