He did... I don't see why this is so difficult. He emptied himself of the existence he had. He emptied himself of that nature. He was no longer spirit, he took on flesh by coming to be in the womb of Mary. So essentially his mind, his consciousness. Instead of residing in spirit, it came to reside in flesh.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
Should have been "or" sorry. Please define what you are looking for.
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New World Translation Brackets!!
by gold_morning infor what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.
the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".
at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.
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Mondo1
Actually, the point really is that nothing is revealed in 22:6. After 22:6 John falls down to worship the angel, and the angel stops him. It is what preceded that cause what is stated in 22:7 to take place, which in turn caused 22:8 to take place, etc. They are all tied in closely. 22:14-15 actually has a nice bit of revealing in it though, since you ask. It is actually quite fitting that the same one who identified himself as the A&W in the beginning of Revelation (1:8) would also come back to put his seal of approval on it in 22 (12-13).
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
Again, I still need you to define your terms, because I don't know if you mean his substance of his life force.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
DD,
Those are roles and functions, not natures.
Nothing "possessed" Jesus' body, Jesus was Jesus.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
If you are 100% something, that is all you are, for there is only 100% of you. If something is 100% wood, it is all wood. If something is 100% metal, it is all metal.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
ROTFL. The demons POSSESSED the swine, they were not the swine themselves. LOL Wow some desperate arguments from you folks.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
It depends on what you mean by spirit.
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New World Translation Brackets!!
by gold_morning infor what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.
the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".
at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.
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Mondo1
I thought I would point out the following from the Anchor Bible Commentary:
"If one follows Gaechter’s order, the concluding words of Revelation (22:10-13) are spoken by the One who sits upon the Throne, rather than by the interpreting angel; cf. 22:8-10… It echoes Isa 40:10; Pss 28:4; 62:12; Jer 17:10, all of which refer to God as the One who brings recompense for the good or bad. Such reattribution could be seen in the fall of the Holy City. Vs. 13 proves that the preceding statements do come from the mouth of God."
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New World Translation Brackets!!
by gold_morning infor what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.
the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".
at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.
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Mondo1
John speaks to his audience. He is directing his words to those reading the text. No, he is not talking to anybody in the text, but the point is that he shows that it is not longer the one that was just speaking saying these things, but he himself. I would not agree, especially in 22:8, that John is merely closing up. Even if he were, it was already established in verse 1 that it is John to whom the Revelation is being given, so to say that he is merely identifying himself is rather superfluous. 22:8 presents a clear interjection on the part of John, and he uses his name to make this known. 22:7 presents the angel speaking, in response to which John states that he was hearing it and he fell down to worship. The angel the replies. As John identifies the speaker change to himself, he tells us also that the angel made a reply to him in verse 9. See, your argument falls rather flat, because 22:7 continues in 22:8-11. It doesn't stop with John's statement in verse 8 as you argue. I would again argue that "his slaves" are God's slaves, not Jesus'. We have QEOS... AUTWi... AUTOU. AUTOU refers back to QEOS, not AUTWi.