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Mondo1
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
Littletoe,
Form is morfh, which refers to what appears outwardly. It has been interpreted different ways.
I don't know where you get the idea that he emptied himself of his reputation. His reputation is not in view. Contextually, he emptied himself of "the form of God," which is the only thing available within the context of Paul's argument for him to empty himself of. Many will import ideas of what he emptied himself of, but without basis in the context.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
No substance came down. He "became flesh."
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
It isn't a "WT theory." Anyone with even a basic knowledge of Greek knows better than that.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
The problem is that more than one use applies to Jesus. Irregardless, I have already explained what took place in what was the final post on page 10. Please consult that for your answer.
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New World Translation Brackets!!
by gold_morning infor what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.
the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".
at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.
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Mondo1
An omega looks like a w and if you're typing out a Greek word you use a w for omega, so I use w.
I think you're missing the point that I'm making. The final revelation of events was given in verse 5. Verse 6 presents the angel speaking those words, then John interjects his own comments in verse 6 and tells what he did, then the angel responds to his action. The basic point that I am making still remains in that John shows that it is not longer the angel speak, and also then, there is no longer a revelation of events taking place (per your argument), by the use of I-proper name.
For verses 14-15, it reveals who will be allowed to enter and who will not be. That is a revelation in itself. The fact that it is stated earlier does not change this point, for it is common for things to be repeated within this book.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
Your sarcasm is rather unbecoming. I ask for terms to be defined because Biblically, these terms can mean different things. Open any lexicon and look up the word pneuma (spirit) and you'll see a range of meanings.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
He did... I don't see why this is so difficult. He emptied himself of the existence he had. He emptied himself of that nature. He was no longer spirit, he took on flesh by coming to be in the womb of Mary. So essentially his mind, his consciousness. Instead of residing in spirit, it came to reside in flesh.
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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?
by Hellrider ini have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.
...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.
i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.
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Mondo1
Should have been "or" sorry. Please define what you are looking for.
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New World Translation Brackets!!
by gold_morning infor what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.
the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".
at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.
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Mondo1
Actually, the point really is that nothing is revealed in 22:6. After 22:6 John falls down to worship the angel, and the angel stops him. It is what preceded that cause what is stated in 22:7 to take place, which in turn caused 22:8 to take place, etc. They are all tied in closely. 22:14-15 actually has a nice bit of revealing in it though, since you ask. It is actually quite fitting that the same one who identified himself as the A&W in the beginning of Revelation (1:8) would also come back to put his seal of approval on it in 22 (12-13).