Hello Saw the light,
I think it deals with each person's perspective. I remember when they started using that phrase "five meetings per week". I too thought the society had miscounted because, at the time, I wouldn't have (had?) missed the meetings unless I was in the hospital with some dreaded disease. Later, after I had children, I counted five meetings because I left in the middle (or at least wanted to) more often.
I understand what you are saying about the R&F being conditioned to parrot any and all terms the society spouts, even when the terms don't make sense.
I also find it interesting that in the Watchtowere study article in '99, July or August, the article said that if a person was missing meetings they were apostacizing (sp? and is that a word?). This was my husband's last meeting. He told our friend sitting next to him that the society can't make that assumption. She said that it must be refferring to the Greek definition of the word. What a crock. He left in a very angry mood and never went back. Yeah!
Take care and enjoy your day,
Angeleah
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3 meetings per week NOT FIVE!!!
by sawthelight inam i the only person ever to fall under the influence of the borg who can count?.
no offence all but jws meet three times per week.not five!
i consider the familiar statement about 5 meetings per week to be a good indication of just how indoctrinated a person is.
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Strange Phone Call
by Bendrr ini had a message to call my mom this afternoon when i got home.
her voice concerned, she said "michael, please call us as soon as you can, we heard you may have been hurt".
i called back to find out what was going on.
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Hey guys,
Do any of y'all know Neil Greenwell or his brothers gary and Wayne?
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My parents just split up
by digderidoo ini don't know why i'm writing this post.... it's not for sympathy...please do not offer any.... after 33 years of marriage, my parents have finally decided it's all over.
they seperated last week.. i won't go into details....but it's what they both want.
in a sense i feel happy for them.
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Hi Dig,
Sounds like an exciting time for your parents since the break up was a mutual decision.
My personal views of marriage have changed so much since leaving the org. My husband and I both agree that if something happened to either one of us we would not get remarried. We feel that the marriage is great for stability in a child's life (although relationships with children and without marriage have worked)but when the child is older and more mature, has own family, etc. staying together is not necessary unless you both want to.
I think it is more destructive if a break up is one sided or there is a lot of resentment and bitterness attached to the break up. I know that my parent's divorce was not the worst part of the break up, but the bitterness and fall out that is still there after 20 years.
At this time, my husband and I are having the time of our lives together and enjoy our family situation. We give each other a lot of freedom and support each others ideas and choices, so it works. We also acknowledge that neither one of us can be the other's "everything".
Good luck to your parents on the new roads they have chosen.
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10 Things That You Never See At Assemblies:
by Englishman ina mexican wave.. cheerleaders.. a streaker.. ice cream / hot dog vendors.. people standing up with their fist raised high saying "yes!".
extra time.. presentation of awards.. autographs.. booing.. the audience waving their lighters as night falls.. there must be more!.
englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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Englishman,
At the '74 or '75 Vancouver, BC international convention, we had a streaker. Best part of the program.
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I Find it all interesting!
by glode inbefore i startm let mejust apologizein advance ifmy spacekey doesnt work properly!
!damn keyboard!
anyways, i have been lookingthru theposts here for several weeks, i findmany of theopinions well thought out.
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Glad to have you here glode.
All I have to say is, "pray you never have to move".
Most of all you mentioned would not be tolerated in the vast majority of kingdom halls, and that is not due to area differences, but due to what is written in the publications. I do agree with you that there are different standards and viewpoints in different areas, but your hall seems to be ultra liberal. I myself had to quit the tack team to get baptised because of what was written about extra curricular sports in the school brochure. Yes, I could have gone ahead and continue, but then I would have been marked as spiritually weak and not humble enough to follow the words of the slave.
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for those who "grew up in the borg"
by zev inat this late, middle stage of my life, i've started wondering, now that i know what i know, about the things in my life that i "lived" with.
having been raised all my life in the "borg" i have known nothing else.
when questions began forming years ago, it started me thinking.
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Hi Zev,
I was raised a winess at age 6. Elementary school was hard when I couldn't participate in the holiday stuff, flag salute( daily), and some of the assignments given. My friends never gave me a hard time, in fact, I was rather popular. They accepted me for who I was. The teachers on the other hand could be terrible. One music teacher hated J.W. kids for some reason (he actually hit one teenager in band for not playing an anthem). I would leave his class terrified and stressed out. Another teacher would storm out of the room to call my mother to find out why I couldn't do certain assignments. I always felt so awkward trying to explain my beliefs to them.
As for telling others I was a witness (left a little more than 2 years ago), I do it easily, almost in celebration. It helps me heal and I have only had one negative comment from others( "You are so gullible"). Most people have friends or family in the org. Most are also amazed at the things we discuss( almost 9 out of 10 make the comment " It sounds like a cult").
My transition out of the org. has been fairly easy, but do not have family in who shun me (friends do of course but who needs friends like that). Leaving for me was this huge, beautiful, interesting world opening up to me and I finally have the chance to be my real self. Life is good.
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More Notes from 2001District Conv.---Sunday
by LostMyReligion inhere are some of the spiritual gems i gleaned from sunday's sessions.. symposium on book of malachi:.
points in which we can magnify jehovah.
do not be like priests at mal.1:13 to whom temple service was a burden.
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thanks for the notes LMR. I agree with Jan that the convention sounds like a lot of fear of manipulation.
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WHY YOU KNOW IS DUPED!
by Amazing inin you know's post on 'why the world is doomed', he cites a web site in response to why he does not need a job.
it is a lindon larouch site that focuses on economic and political conspiracy theories.
larouch is a big con artists who finally went to jail for bank fraud.
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I don't know too much about LaRouche except for what my Uncle Joe informs the family about from LaRouche at family gatherings. I feel I am at a meeting at the hall with all the gloom and doom. My Uncle is a very intelligent, educated man and well informed about many subjects. At the same time, he believes the government is stalking him and has planted bugs in his home. He also thinks that Satan has manipulated the television set to send out hypnotic messages to the masses.
Personally, I think my Uncle is paranoid and looking forward to a world collapse to give him a reason for the hell he has created for himself.
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Dear Apostates, just suppose....
by TheApostleAK in...that the watchtower bible & tract society really is jehovah god's earthly organisation.... wouldn't that make you all "vessels made fit for destruction" (romans 9:22 - 24) by being opposers of jehovah god and his true organisation?.
just making this warning so you can't complain to jehovah god when his "fear-inspiring day" (joel 2:11) comes that you weren't told.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
this message has been brought to you by the watchtower bible & tract society.
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SanFrancisco Jim,
My sentiments exactly. I would rather live the great life with my happy family as an apostate and all die at " God's great day", than to have to live the miserable life and with the unhappy family we were as JWs to then be rewarded with eternity with the same miserable , self righteous people who love only with conditions.
Life is just too great now and only gets better.
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HEY! 2001 CONVENTION POINTS
by Amazing inthe following is a recent jw advertisement about their upcoming conventions.
it can be found on the jw-media.org site under recent news.
i will quote them in italics and then make my own observations.. jehovah's witnesses office of public information.
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Monica,
That is the funniest story. Thanks for sharing. This is a great thread.
Hugs to all, Angie