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  The Jehovah's Witness religion has gone for good !!!

  by snare&racket in

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  i am not sure how you all feel as we all left at different times for different reasons.... but this new bible seems to have put some final nails into a coffin that was once my jw life.

  the religion is so far and so different to the religion i grew up in that it has become something i feel no affiliation with anymore, no bond, no shared ideas or even sentimental views.

  different teachings on when the end is coming.

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  That is so true if you left seven years ago it's not the same beast at all.
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  Who Will Be The Next Member Of The Governing Body To Defect From The Corporation?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  while it may seem unlikely which of the currant governing body members do you feel would be most likely to defect?

  i know it is a loaded question.. what about wealthy anthony morris iii?

  or mark sanderson or geoffrey jackson?

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  One of them at the AGM seemed to have a possibilty after saying he read the new bible but I still say none.
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  The NWT is almost readable now (some random thoughts)

  by slimboyfat in

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  i guess there will be lots of interesting little changes, but perhaps the most significant change in the new version of the nwt is overall readability.

  there were many, many passages of the old nwt that were virtually incomprehensible unless you had read some watchtower commentary explaining what on earth they were trying to say.

  take 1 cor 7:36 in the old nwt for example:.

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  Why do I get the feeling JWs might actaully read it.
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  The Big AGM News is That There Was No News

  by cofty in

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  it was totally vacuous.

  despite the promise of "new light" in the opening talk there was nothing.. a few of the more clumsy phrases in the nwt have been improved, and it has a nice new grey cover - so what?.

  i am thinking about the jws who have spent a lifetime waiting on paradise.

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  Not true there was the same news they give everytime. No, wait your right.
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  The Smoke and Mirrors of the Annual Meeting

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  the annual meeting seems to boil down to an opening talk about an "exciting new" bible museum and a closing talk about an "exciting new" new world translation.

  sandwiched in between were the wt summary, a talk about indoctrinating the children fast/furious, and some "trip down memory lane.".

  why would this "spiritual feast" seem to be anticlimactic?

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  Read my sumary but a sumary of my sumary is the it was a Political pep rally and a Product roll out rolled into one fake video conference which will proablly be back next year for what ever release they have planned then.
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  Why did they write a new bible?

  by snare&racket in

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  works of unknown authorship70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work is made.

  however, if the work is made available to the public during that time then copyright expires 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which it is first made publicly available.i wonder if this is the motive for a new bible?

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  To all my critics they pointed out some of the hard to read and understand ones (BTW they also failed to mention many other translations used in other churches have fixed those problems already with scholarly help) Not denying there was other reasons like removing brakets on words they know they implanted. As far as copyrighting they don't make money on it. Also no one outside of the org would ever use the thing even revised it is horribly translated and has admittly not been touched by a scholar in translation. So I don't really see it as a primary motive.
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  5go's AGM summary and review

  by 5go in

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  i am writing this from memory i didn't ake notes so forgive me if it is out of order.. sumary.

  it started off with the annoucement of a bible display (mueseum) being built that focuses on jehovah's name in the bible.

  (i found it funny that few if any bible predate the 12th century because that's when the word jehovah was created bet that get's left out) the speaker went into the work done searching for various and the miracles donations and loans that happened to bring this about.

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  Yeah the Irony is I love how this bible looks they picked my color but it still doesn't change my mind on anything.

  The bible is a book written by men long ago and is falible.

  The WT society is not in anyway in special comunication with her/him assuming she/he exists.

  If anything this meeting proved to me they are desperate to energize the base.

  It was a political pep rally and a product roll out rolled into one IMO fake video conference. I bet we see more of these.
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  As the old NWT was known as Fred Franz's translation ...

  by slimboyfat in

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  ... will the revised version become associated with the name geoffrey jackson?

  no doubt it will be kept a "secret" who did the work on the new version, just as it was a "secret" who translated the original nwt.

  nevertheless since fred franz was the only likely candidate who could have attempted a bible translation at bethel in 1950 his name will forever be associated with the translation.

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  It's WT logic

  The scholars point out the NWT not a scholarly translation and chop full of WT add ons mainly the word Jehovah in places it doesn't belong. Like any where in the bible as the word didn't exist until around the 12th century. (which is ironic as they didn't bother to menton any really old bibles in thier new collection as it would prove that fact)

  Then they according to the WT those same scholars say the NWT is the most scholarly translation right after they said it wasn't. Even as the WT admits that they kind in a way didn't do a great job the first time around and it needs a revision.
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  5go's AGM summary and review

  by 5go in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am writing this from memory i didn't ake notes so forgive me if it is out of order.. sumary.

  it started off with the annoucement of a bible display (mueseum) being built that focuses on jehovah's name in the bible.

  (i found it funny that few if any bible predate the 12th century because that's when the word jehovah was created bet that get's left out) the speaker went into the work done searching for various and the miracles donations and loans that happened to bring this about.

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  I am writing this from memory I didn't ake notes so forgive me if it is out of order.

  Sumary

  It started off with the annoucement of a bible display (Mueseum) being built that focuses on Jehovah's name in the bible. (I found it funny that few if any bible predate the 12th century because that's when the word Jehovah was created bet that get's left out) The speaker went into the work done searching for various and the miracles donations and loans that happened to bring this about. Many poor bethel brothers donated their stipend (I get that that was dropped in to guilt the brothers into thinking about how they aren't donating their share) to find the rare bibles.

  There was several hints that a bible was about to be released. A video interview of those that attended the last release plus a video that constantly stated that the old translating comity did not want to reveal who they were. (but all through the program they hint it was the GB and writing dept. of the time)

  Then came the big reveal a grey NWT bible. I have to say even though I am out I was exicited to get it. It's a nice parting gift. Every there was exicited as well but you did get a feeling in the audience that hey this is it. No the end is nigh just a new bible. Also it is going to be fun at the meeting from now on as this bible is to be used right now. As anyone know that never goes well in the corporate world you need a phase in time.

  Finally we come to the part that almost gave me up and I do believe gave a fellow apostate in the building the app show I had to really hold back the laghter as it was clearly trying to hard to make them look cool to younger ones and relate to the tech culture. I would say to a level it worked on the crowd.

  Review

  Simply put it felt like any other corporate meeting. If you have ever had the plessure to go to one or at least see one on TV there is way to much attempt at humor. Which more often than not lead to akwards bits of silence and unease. This was a product roll out and I fully suspect this will become an annual event and replace the SAD or just be added to the calender it's for the most part free to them as it just required using halls.

  Also this in my opinion could not have been streamed. It had to have been downloaded as the quote of timing was off between my timezone and theirs on the east coast. I could be wrong but doubt it. Also there was an interuption and it was quickly fixed with no chop ahead in time like streaming it was like someone hit pause on accident.

  Also it felt like a show put on by the GB to cash in on their fame in the society and like someone said become visable pope like leaders.

  So that is it.
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  Why did they write a new bible?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  works of unknown authorship70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work is made.

  however, if the work is made available to the public during that time then copyright expires 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which it is first made publicly available.i wonder if this is the motive for a new bible?

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  I tend to buy their reason the old one was pretty hard to read in todays english. Thought it is clear to me they wanted to also make certian changes they made in the old one less obvious.