it is official in usa.
the announcement was made at the service meeting.. letter read due to cost of postage...once your subsription expires it will not be renewed.
I just think it's hilarious that, this being a phenomenal change in Watchtower strategy, that we aren't hearing from any of the active Jehovah's Witnesses elders on the board.
you know, the one(s) who went to elder's school recently?
come out, come out, wherever you are. Your public awaits!!!!
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what can we learn from david when he encountered saul?.
1 samuel 24:2-7 says.
and saul proceeded to take three thousand chosen men out of all israel and to go looking for david and his men upon the bare rocks of the mountain goats.
Ah...David, one of my favorite Bible Characters. Here's an essay I did and posted it on a Las Vegas discussion board with interesting results, now reprodunced here for your reading pleasure.....
You said: <<“King David, of Goliath fame. > >Our minister dressed up like David and went on to drive home that for all his > >greatness, he had perhaps an equal amount of evil. He followed Saul as King, > >and expanded his country's borders and brought prosperity and greatness to both > >Judea and Isreal. He also was an adulterer, and had Besheba's loyal husband > >killed in battle so that he could have her for himself. > > He basked in fortune, but was never really happy. Furthermore, his favorite > >son, Absolom, died, and he had to settle for Solomon for his successor, which > >was also good and bad. > >He went on to say that looking back, as we all do, he would have changed many > >things that he had done, but that it would be much better to make the correct > >changes while you are alive. > >Maybe the sermon had an effect on me such that I have more of an impulse to do > >good while alive, and not look back from the grave with regrets. > >(Sorry to all those unfortunate ones who struggled though this, especially > >subbie). > >
As long as we’re having Sunday school and bible study, here’s my ½ cent’s worth…
I Samuel chapter 18: And it came about that, …Jonothan’s very soul became bound up with the soul of David, and Jonathan began to love him as his own soul. And Jonathan and David proceeded to conclude a covenenant, because of his loving him as his own soul. Further, Jonathan stripped himself of the sleeveless coat that was on him and gave it to David, and also his garments, and even his sword and his bow and his belt. (I think Jonathan is very close to naked by now) Later on, Saul gave his daughter Michal to David to marry, and the account says verse 28: as for Michal, Saul’s daughter, she loved him. And again Saul felt still more fear because of David, and Saul came to be an enemy of David always. (With two of his children loving David, Saul by now no doubt was feling a little persecuted. Be careful who you invite home for dinner, folks!)
Later Chapter 20: Saul says to his son Jonothan; …“You son of a rebellious maid (typical, blame it on the mother) do I not well know you are choosing the son of Jesse to your own shame and to the shame of the secret parts of your mother? For all the days that the son of Jesse (Saul was so jealous of Jonathon’s love for David he wouldn’t even say David’s NAME) is alive on the ground, you and your kingship will not be firmly established. (translation; dump the boyfriend, or be disinherited). Jonathan answered in defense of David (wrong move!) and Saul hurled a spear at him. Jonathon arranged a meeting with David in secret to say goodbye. :…David…fell on his face to the earth and bowed three times; and they began kissing each other and weeping for each other, until David had done it the most.
Plowing through the events of David’s life, eventually Saul got tired of chasing David, went to war with Jonathan by his side, and they both were killed. David assumed the kingship and his first act was to assume care of Jonathan’s remaining family.
Whatever the true nature of the relationship between Jonathan and David (and I’m not going there), the facts are that after Jonathan’s death David was never the same man. Israel’s mightiest warrior, poet and composer began his kingship with civil war (between the houses of Saul and David) that eventually degenerated into war between David’s own son’s as David bcame more morose and withdrawn and took less and less of an interest and hand in the afairs of Israel and his own household. Shortly afterwards follwed the event regarding the census; then the affair with Bath-sheba ;and David had Uriah killed likely not to have Bathsheba as his own (she already was his) but to save her life and the life of their child (pregnant in the absence of her husband, she was an apparent adulteress and she would have ben put to death under Israelite law that Cactus jack referred to) his wife Michal became disgusted by all this and never bore David any children; David’s daughter is raped by David’s brother, which brother is then killed by another of David’s sons, and the list goes on and on.
A very sad and ancient story of a lost love. The Bible pops up in funny places, hey?
Happy holidays everyone
Dungbeetle
i have received a package from the united nations high commissioner for human rights.
you may recall that dino found out that the uns high commissioners office in geneva, switzerland has in its collection the november 22, 1998 awake!
magazine article titled a long job finished (pages 3 and 4) and a second article titled the universal declaration of human rights (page 5).
Way to go hawk and all the rest of you working on this, who are now getting too numerous to name.
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it is official in usa.
the announcement was made at the service meeting.. letter read due to cost of postage...once your subsription expires it will not be renewed.
They may have blamed it publicly on money, but know this:
Also at the meeting, they said:
Only sincerely interested persons are to have the literature, and every effort must be made to get the person's name.
Braille copies will still be mailed out.
Isolated interested ones will still have theirs mailed out.
Magazines are to be delivered by baptized/unbaptized publishers only.
The purpose of placing the magazines is now specifically to start a home bible study.
I don't know about you, but it sounds like a 'circle the wagons, the apostates are coming' to me.
Run, watchtower run!!!
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happy holidays everyone!
hope this season has been good for and to you!
some of us thought it might be fun to have a "get-together"...haha...before the end of the year got here.
Hey, closer...we were planning an apostofest in las Vegas in May.!!!
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book by detlef garbe, pellechia and 22 other persons (some of them jehovah's witnesses):.
more at: http://www.edition-temmen.com.
from the foreword (quoting others):"time and again, jehovah's witnesses were the most courageous.
The moral of the story is: Don't go around telling everybody to change your religion to mine RIGHT NOW or you're going to die soon any minute RIGHT NOW.
The Russian JW's still haven't learned that. I don't know that any of them have.
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Hey---it's still at the bottom left of the page---waddya know?
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hello friends,.
i am in a situation that i am really at a loss as to what to do.. basically, we have quit going to meetings.
i really don't even want to be a part of the malarkey any longer.
>"emotionally and it is taking it's toll. He grades are falling at school, he seems to be withdrawing socially and won't try to make new friends. He feels that to have the approval of his grandparents he has to go through all the hoops even though it is not in his heart to do all this. He has to make them believe he want's to go to the K.H. because he is afraid. I have had it with all of this nuttiness.<"
This sounds like the beginning of a depression. I recommend some research on the subject, then keep a close eye out on him and others.
>"Anyway, what has started happening is they only seen to want him over when there is something to do with a meeting or their family study. They have him over on meeting nights and sundays, but don't have alot else to do with him."<
This sounds like a 'marking' due to 'bad association' to me, you can look in the organization book and see if I'm wrong, but again that's what it sounds like to me.
You might seriously consider the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES RELOCATION PROGRAM...I s**t you not. MOVE!! Far away!!! People do it if they have to, a way is found or made. Many have tried it with measurable success, and I plan on doing it myself later in the year. (And afterwards throwing an 'Out of Cult' party!!)
What your folks are doing to your son sounds like emotionl/psychological abuse to me...and personally I would like to see a child completely removed from an environment like that.
Anyway, I'm sure you will get all kinds of good ideas from this board, please don't 'kneejerk' reject any of them without a lot of thought.
Sorry for your situation, and I wish you the best.
((((((((( Vitameatavegamin ))))))))))))))
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ediated for spielling...
i was wondering today.
what if the witnesses did not have a policy of disfellowshipping those that are apostates.
what would the congregations be like?
>"I understand the points, but still doesn't the Apostle Paul teach the practice of shunning?"<
No he did not; he said not to give the 'Christian kiss greeting'to certain ones. And 'quit mixing in company' simply means that if you wish to associate with such a 'one' to do so away from the Christian Congregation. (speaking of social gatherings only)
You questions and postings indicate to me that you you STILL do not understand the points. Give yourself some more time.
I really wish Jehovah's Witnesses and their supporters would make use of their Kingdom Interlinear Translation, at least it's one step closer to the original.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I GOTTA SAY IT: JESUS NO SPEAKA DA ENGLISH...
love and hugs..
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defining cults this is long, so i have tried to give you the core points in the first 3 or 4 paragraphs.
after that, you may wish to read on for some detailed discussion.. difficulty in definitions: trying to define what constitutes a cult is similar to botanists trying to define weeds from the general plant population.
if you stick to tight fitting technical definitions and legalism, you will always find exceptions to the rules, and be left with an incomplete definition.
>"So, this would mean that Jehovah's Witnesses are not a dangerous group. Why? Because our leader Jesus does not teach us how to fight. Or wage war among others.<"
This group is dangerous and is taught to 'wage war' against their women and children, as anybody who even just STARTS to do background research on the history of this 'new religious movement' (NRM, or another name for a cult)finds very very quickly.
Their members and childrern are assaulting, raping and murdering one another in numbers probably unprecedented in their 120+ year history.
There may have been a time when Jehovah's Witnesses did some good in this world. The time before Rutherford. Starting with the blood transfusion ban in the 1960's, this religion has been cyccling steadily downhill ever since.
And it isn't about 'quantity' of converts (300,000 per year blah blah blah)it's about QUALITY. Who ARE Jehovah's Witnesses anyway. Over 9000 of them in Russia just publicly lied--in writing--can you just imagine what goes on INSIDE THEIR HOMES? When nobody is watching?
YOU do the math...
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