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  Watchtower short changes the Tetragrammaton

  by IslandWoman in

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  the society has encouraged its followers to honor god's name as expressed in the tetragrammaton.

  appendix 1a of the watchtower's reference bible approves the use of the form "jehovah" because it preserves that all important tetragrammaton: .

  "...the new world translation continues to use the form "jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it for centuries.

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  dungbeetle

  ((((((((((((((( IW )))))))))))))))))

  I was thinking the whole time during this friggin' study about how Rutherford wussed up and wimped out before teh government, trying to keep his scrwny backside out of jail.

  Other Witnesses were being murdered for Watchtower's belief system ALL AROUND THE WORLD while our dear Rutherflawed wouldn't so much agree to a little disconfort behind bars.

  And while he gave the WORLD the impression that he was proud to be punished for God's Word <gag> <choke> look at the shenanigans he was pulling behind the scens.

  What WOULD Malachi say....

  RUN WATCHTOWER RUN THE TAXMAN COMETH....
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  Attorney's response-Minors-baptism-verbl-cntract

  by Cappuccino OC in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the response that an attorney, practicing in the state of ca, responded to my question if minors are bound the verbal contract (questions 1, 2 given after the baptism talk).

  "nice to hear from you.

  in response to your question, although i am not a contracts attorney (i have some knowledge in the area), in my opionion, i don't believe that you can contract with a minor and force a minor to perform under the contract.

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  dungbeetle

  Angry xjw:

  Once upon a time nobody thought it possible to 'rape' your own wife.

  Then one day, they were wrong.

  Once upon a time nobody thought it was possible to successfully sue the tobacco company.

  Then one day they were wrong.

  Once upon a time nobody thought it was possible to sue your own church and win.

  Then one day they were wrong.

  Like it or not, angryx, you have not always been right.

  And while we're on the subject, continuing to 'beat' your fellow Watchtower survivors only makes Watchtower win. This is an area of children's rights that needs to be explored, and it will be explored. Th eonly thing you can hope to accomplish is making everybody go to another board or a private email group so they can talk while escaping your condescending and patronizing RANTINGS.

  NOTHING is a waste of time. I am proud of these people. They escaped a 'burning building' and they did not run off into teh sunset never to look back (it would be okay if they did). They're turning around and going back in to look for and help others. Bless them.
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  A sincere (believe me) question for current JWs

  by bonovox in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, noticed a few jw posters on here, jamesg et al.... what has the wtbs said about the tragedies in the us last fall?

  i recall after lockerbie in the 80s there was an awake on terrorism (with the guys in ski masks lol), but what about the most recent events?.

  trolls please resist the urge to rant that they all had a big celebration afterwards, ok?

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  dungbeetle

  Watchtower insists that the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks are another sign that we are in teh last days. They never shut up about that aspect about it.

  never mind that 6 million people died in Germany 30 something years ago, and we haven't had a world war in almost sixty years, and countries are laying down arms all over the place, Vietnam has reunions every year where soldiers from both sides meet and hug and go over old times togeher, American and German and Japanese as well.

  People live a better life, on the whole, than at any time in human histroy. they certainly have a better CHANCE for life than at any time ever before.

  Watchtower, in typical apocalyptic fashion, would rather dwell on the 18 CRIMINALS practicing religious intolerance (just like watchtower, hmm) than the tens of thousands of people ALL AROUND THE WORLD who SPRANG forward to help.

  The human race is growing up, maturing; and WATCHTOWER CAN'T STAND IT.

  Well, that's just too da*n bad.

  I should clarify: by Watchtower I reallymean teh brothers giving talks. I really don't think the literature mentions it much, and none of teh letters read to us or hanging on the board ever mention it; so it must just be some individual thing.

  Edited by - dungbeetle on 11 June 2002 4:48:49
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  Attorney's response-Minors-baptism-verbl-cntract

  by Cappuccino OC in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the response that an attorney, practicing in the state of ca, responded to my question if minors are bound the verbal contract (questions 1, 2 given after the baptism talk).

  "nice to hear from you.

  in response to your question, although i am not a contracts attorney (i have some knowledge in the area), in my opionion, i don't believe that you can contract with a minor and force a minor to perform under the contract.

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  fraud is fraud. Churches must obey the law just like any other entity,

  that's why the governments can raid Indian/Native American/Indigenous persons on the reservations; that's why the government was allowed to move on the People's Temple and the Branch Davidians.

  1) First off: is it harmful for children to be baptized. Obviously it is 'YES' but the harm has to be articulated and demonstratable.

  2) Does the level of harm reach the point where it approaches child abuse? It certanly has the potential, considering the case in Canada where the girl could be df'd/shunned if she chooses lifesaving blood transfusions. Hold up that infamous AWAKE with the 26 faces on the front of it, its easily demonstable, or at least its potential.

  3) As far as 'ratification' any contract can be revoked if it can be proven to be fraudulent, carried out in bad faith. Really, how often does Watchtower allow baptisms 'in good faith'...

  4) What I expect is that if enough Americans make a fuss over their child baptisms and how harmful it was and how much better it is to NOT be baptised as a child, then Bulgaria and Russia and Canada and France will take up the flag and run with it in their own countries; pressure will be put on Watchtower in those countries which can then pass pass right back to here.

  5) Public relations. Telling the world through personal experiences and the media how harmful these child baptisms are means less literature bought at the doors and fewer converts in the Halls. It could even mean more Witnesses voting with their feet and their pocketbook.

  It's a worth cause to take up in my opinion, and RIGHT NOW is the time to bring it up. Get those photos of the children being baptised as outnfree mentioned on her post. Ship them off to Bulgaria, France, Russia. Especially those of you who HAVE to go to conventions anyway, get all 'excited' and grab those cameras and snap away.

  This is a battle Watchtower may not even be wiling to fight. I think it's worth a try. I don't think Watchtower is going to drag former members into court to 'rebaptize' them, but the publicity may cause pressyre on the young ones to ease up.

  Go guys goi!!!
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  JW's (again) dodge the question.....

  by TheApostleAK in

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  2. friends

  q is the organization a direct channel between god and humanity?

  a again, our governing body has never claimed that our organization is inspired or infallible.

  instead they, our governing body, study the bible diligently and through prayer they make a request for his holy spirit to direct them and be upon them.

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  dungbeetle

  No, they weren't subtle about 1975. They said in a 1968 Kingdom Ministry that Armegeddon was just months away.

  But at least they say " So we believe this to be the channel that God is using today"

  talk about circular reasoning.

  Seeing as how they are beating, raping and murdering one another at a rate probably unprecedented in their 120+ year history that PROVES they gots the 'troof'
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  Pontiac, MI Baptismal Stats

  by outnfree in

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  an excerpt from sunday's paper:.

  http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4386809&brd=982&pag=461&dept_id=467994&rfi=6.

  more than 100,000 bible-carrying jehovah's witnesses from 233 congregations scattered throughout the lower peninsula of michigan and northern ohio are expected to attend the 2002 zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention, which began friday and continues through today.. it's a religious pilgrimage that meant a lot for 75-year-old howard anderson of detroit.. he was the oldest of the 169 convention delegates who was baptized into the faith saturday, a total that included 73 men and 96 women ranging in age from 10 to 75 years old.. "this is what i want," anderson said.

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  I dunno if you caught my other post Kizzy; of the 10 DC's near me this year, 6 are foreign language.

  So it is true that a lot of the so called 'increase' in the US ARE immigrants.

  It wouldn't hurt to take pictures of some of those children being baptised and sending them to Bulgaria, France, Russia, and Canada, along with the Watchtower that endorses the Expulsion and Shunning of children.
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  US Assemblies

  by Satanus in

  1. social
  2. current

  if it has been posted, i apologise and ask to be directed there.

  can someone furnish the dates and places of the district conventions in the us?

  this would be useful for a few who are wrestling w the wt.

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  dungbeetle

  no yeru, that's our goal. The number of partakers are climbing every year,

  GO JW'S GO GO GO!!!
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  Pontiac, MI Baptismal Stats

  by outnfree in

  1. social
  2. current

  an excerpt from sunday's paper:.

  http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4386809&brd=982&pag=461&dept_id=467994&rfi=6.

  more than 100,000 bible-carrying jehovah's witnesses from 233 congregations scattered throughout the lower peninsula of michigan and northern ohio are expected to attend the 2002 zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention, which began friday and continues through today.. it's a religious pilgrimage that meant a lot for 75-year-old howard anderson of detroit.. he was the oldest of the 169 convention delegates who was baptized into the faith saturday, a total that included 73 men and 96 women ranging in age from 10 to 75 years old.. "this is what i want," anderson said.

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  dungbeetle

  no dinner this is a meeting night and I can't eat before the meeting (I might lose the food before I get home) coffee had to do.

  so, 169 baptised for 100,000. Multiply that by three (for the three times a year opportunities) that gives you 507. A hundred thousand is roughly 10 percent of a million (right I hope) so multiply by ten, and you get 5070.

  Last year in the US there were 27, 731 baptisms. How were many of those were children I wonder, how many have serious mental problems (which shoots 'informed consnet' or 'choice' out the window) how many were immigrants desparate to find a spouse and get citizenship; how many got baptised to please family members.

  Not to mention which, even with 27, 731 baptisms, the percent of publishers in 2001 over 2000? A big fat ZERO.

  They're voting with their feet all right...or with their pocketbook.

  Go JW's GO GO GO !!!!
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  Pontiac, MI Baptismal Stats

  by outnfree in

  1. social
  2. current

  an excerpt from sunday's paper:.

  http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4386809&brd=982&pag=461&dept_id=467994&rfi=6.

  more than 100,000 bible-carrying jehovah's witnesses from 233 congregations scattered throughout the lower peninsula of michigan and northern ohio are expected to attend the 2002 zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention, which began friday and continues through today.. it's a religious pilgrimage that meant a lot for 75-year-old howard anderson of detroit.. he was the oldest of the 169 convention delegates who was baptized into the faith saturday, a total that included 73 men and 96 women ranging in age from 10 to 75 years old.. "this is what i want," anderson said.

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  but remember there are three baptismal opportunites per year, District conventions and Circuit assemblies and I can't remember,perhaps special assembly days as well.

  6 million JW's had 300,000 baptisms last year, so that gives...you never mind, I need dinner first.
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  i can't read these post anymore!!!

  by airwlk149 in

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  i can't read these post's anymore because the font is too small!

  please change the size of your text to at least size 3- it's really annoying- not anybody's fault- just i love reading the post, but i am unable to do so!

  katie

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  Is that better?

  Edited by - dungbeetle on 10 June 2002 20:29:19