Posts by dungbeetle

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Watchtower Moves In For Kill On silentlambs

by silentlambs in

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draffenville

congregation

of jehovah's witnesses

dungbeetle

As I explained in my post if you people would bother READING before you answered, they didn't HAVE disfellowshiping in those days as they do TODAY.

Back then, you just went around telling everybody that this person was not a 'brother of good repute' or some such thing. Everyone then was supposed to treat you like a worldy person. That's what the Watchtower tried to do. But, Moyle was not that type of person and could prove it.

Watchtower claims in its literature and website that they only disfellowship unrepentant sinners. Disfellowshiping means two things..that you rEALLY did do xxx and that you were not repentant. Watchtower also claims they there must two witnesses and/or a confession.This means, that when someone has been disfellowshiped, they have committed a disfellowshiping offense. Well, Olin Moyle was accused of committing offenses, and 'cast out' of the Watchtower (it wasn't called disfellowshiping then). He sued for slander and libel becasue he had committed no offenses.

So yes, again, Watchtower has been successfully sued for disfellowshiping someone. Whatever they CALLED it was not the point.

When confronted with the facts, Watchtower uses that same wording.."We have never been successfully sued for disfellowsiping." Technically I guess that's true...but in the REAL WORLD that we all live in, they WERE successfully sued.

By the way, initially Olin Moyle won 30,000. The case was remanded back to the court, and Watchtower SETTLED for the 15,000. So Watchtower was FOUND guilty the first time, but CONFESSED, OWNED UP, the second time around.

And by the way, Russell tried the same thing on Maria Russell. Told everyone she was of ill repute. Told everyone not to talk to her or include her in activities. Banned her from Watchtower activitites. Today we call this disfellowshiping. That behavior on Russell's part cost him WELL over $9,000--a WHALE of a sum in the early 1900's.

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Sugg. for Brits: Write to Charity Comm re Panorama

by expatbrit in

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the charity commission, in it's guideline booklet cc21: registering as a charity, states: .

charitable purposes.

7. to be a charity an organisation must have purposes which are exclusively charitable.

dungbeetle

In small print, the WT recently calling for the shunning of children; the KM calling for the shunning of parents, the quotes from the Lamp, Organization, and the Organized books calling for the secrecy of JW wrongdoers, can all fit each on one page. That's three pages. Your letter goes on the first page. That's a four page letter, with three pages of evidence, and many many of us can write letters, there is just enough time to mail the letters and maybe searchforthetruth can hand-carry them with him/her to his meeting?

From the U.S., you can use Global Priority it takes three or four days. No, there won't be time, too bad you can't reschedule your meeting for a couple more days. Oh well.

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Watchtower Moves In For Kill On silentlambs

by silentlambs in

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friends

draffenville

congregation

of jehovah's witnesses

dungbeetle

I forget who, somebody said that the Watchtower has never been successfully sued over disfellowshiping?

Of course they have.

OLIN MOYLE and not only did he successfully sue, but Watchtower had to change its policies as well. A DOUBLE victory for Olin Moyle.

'disfellowshiping' as we understand it today did not exist then, it was called many things, but that's what it was. 'disfellowshiping' is not the issue anyway; it's the SHUNNING.

As for whether Watchtower was ever successfully sued, we do not know and may never know. Unfortuantely, we have 'silence' clauses in our legal justice system, or 'hush money' as its called. We know for a FACT Watchtower uses these loopholes, who knows how many of them there have been.

If Watchtower disfellowships Bill becasue of their whistleblowing, then Watchtower's use of expulsion/shunning very likely loses its constitutional protections. Jeff Anderson is trying at least one Catholic case that way, and I am following it to see how that goes.

We shall see.

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Watchtower Moves In For Kill On silentlambs

by silentlambs in

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friends

draffenville

congregation

of jehovah's witnesses

dungbeetle

One of the requirements is, the elders on the JC must be impartial. NO elder in Kentucky (for Bill) or in Tennessee (for Barbara) could possibly be considered impartial.

If these two want to attend a hearing, I suggest asking for it to be in New York on the weekend of Septemeber 27. That way, NO elders from either of their entire states will be on the committees (I hope) and all their Witnesses can be present.

But that's up to Bill and Barb.

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Doctor Visit Today

by Amazing in

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well folks: i had my first follow-up visit, and things are not as good as i was hoping.

essentially, using diet and exercise to try and reverse my clogged arteries is okay for 15 areas which are 50% or less clogged, by 2 of the points are 80% occluded ... and must be treated in a matter of months, or i face death inside a year ... so, i have some time, but not as i hoped.

the two bad occlusions art each at the intersections of main branches ... and either of them would likely kill me if they close up.. the doctor was impressed with my diet changes, lifestyle adjustments, and weight loss and level of recovery ... but the recovery is limited, in that i still have some strong angina with mild exercise, strongly suggesting my heart does not get enough blood when i exercise, and then when i eat a large meal, the stomach uses enough blood flow, that the heart gets starved and i go into serious angina ... soooo ... i am ordered to limit exercise and eat 6 to 8 tiny meals a day ... and i am even getting a handicap sign for my car ... yikes!

dungbeetle

Well, speaking as a nurse, if you need something done, do it and get it done and don't delay anymore. The longer your heart goes without the amount of oxygen it needs, the more difficult your recovery is going to be and the less success you are going to have.

Stop f**king around and get WITH IT!!!

((((Amazing))))

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Anderson Committee Move In For Kill

by silentlambs in

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well it appears the watchtower is back at their executions.

after jr brown besmirched her moral character by saying she was being disfellowshipped for other sins unrelated to the dateline program, now three men want to meet her at a motel?

why not the kingdom hall?

dungbeetle

I think Watchtower has gotten the idea, as has England and possible other countries, that the disfellowshiping attemps against the 'fearsome foursome' is an act in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy. (hiding pedophiles from the law, hiding child abuse vuctims from the law).

Therefore, IF the elders want to continue this PERSECUTION of Ms. Anderson (I suppose Brother Anderson will be next) if it is held in the KH, and found to be a crime, the KH can be up for grabs someday in a criminal proceeding or civil lawsuit.

It might be as simple as Watchtower protecting the KH from possible future seizure, just playing it safe.

And my disfellowshiping hearing took place in an elders home. Completely away from the KH. Go figure.

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"Prince of Peace" book

by Preston in

i believe there's an illustration in the book of a group of people doing obesience to a member of th annointed class.

can anyone confirm?

dungbeetle

Not that I can see.

Pages 188-189 show people worshiping God; (with the YHWH symbol over his head, funny no Jesus); page 96 shows 'the anointed' watchting over humans, but the humans are not even LOOKING back up.

But these cannot be interpreted as giving worship tot he anointed.

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Anderson Committee Move In For Kill

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

well it appears the watchtower is back at their executions.

after jr brown besmirched her moral character by saying she was being disfellowshipped for other sins unrelated to the dateline program, now three men want to meet her at a motel?

why not the kingdom hall?

dungbeetle

How about Brooklyn, September 27, 2002 since so many of us will be there in the neighborhood anyway?

She can say she does not want to meet with anyone from her area, and we will all be there in New York and that's her final offer.

Anybody like? It's a perfectly legitimate request as far as I can see. let Watchtower appoint 3 (or more) men from New York to meet in a hotel room THERE!!!

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how will panorama affect jehovahs witnesses?

by haujobbz in

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do you think jehovahs witnesses churches will be safe.will jws go to self defense classes.will jws think it the government turning on them to fulfill bible prophecy.will the jws be concerned about there kids at risk.will it be all over the media.will the jws change there policies.

dungbeetle

JW's will not be affected directly, I don't believe. But indirectly they will. It will not be cozy working, living, and socializing with 'worldly birdfood' persons who have just discovered that pedophiles have been coming totheir door for over thirty years now.

I had to go to the police department to check on permits for demonstrations, and while there I was asked "Why is a JW picketing the JW convention?" Well, I was happy to tell him why. And he and the others who gathered around to hear said "You mean to tell me that while we are out in the streets risking our lives for these ***** These same **** were sending RAPISTS to our DOORS? TO OUR DOORS? "Your wife answering, with the kids playing ont he floor behind her, oh yeah!!"

There's a group of people who will never be JW's!!!!

Vaccination of the public is everything!!!! The supply of converts AND money will dry up and

Watchtower, it isn't just over---IT IS SOOOO OVER !!!!!

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Watchtower Fax to Panorama

by Nemesis in

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here is the "official" watchtower reason for not giving an interview to panorama: .

http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bbc020509.pdf

dungbeetle

talk about talking out of two sides of their mouth:

If privacy laws do not allow such records to be kept, the elders do whatever is permitted

within the law to see to it that children are protected

1) So if records ARE allowed to be kept, they will not help the children?

2) They just said "we need two witnesses to report an abuser" but the just said that that they will do whatever is permitted within the law to see to it that children are protected!!! Hello!!! which is it, two witnesses, or whatever the law will let us do!!!! Wake up brains!!!!

3) ALL fifty sates allow ANYONE to make an abuse report without criminal/civil sanctions. So do it, elders!!!

4) If he is repentant, he will not be expelled. NEVER MIND IF HE IS TREATMENT OR NOT!!!

Edited by - dungbeetle on 14 July 2002 19:11:2