Posts by dungbeetle

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Hundreds burnt to death in Tanzanian witch-hunt

by Kent in

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lynch mobs have killed hundreds of tanzanians whom they accuse of witchcraft as black magic hysteria sweeps east africa.

most of the usually elderly victims have been beaten or burnt to death by gangs of youths.

some old women have been singled out simply because they have red eyes - regarded as a sign of sorcery by their assailants.

dungbeetle

Now let me guess. In three months or so, we're going to see Awake and Watchtower articles detailing how Jehovah's Witnesses are being 'persecuted' and singled out because of their innocuous belief system.

Then the Watchtower will publish articles--more articles, actually--detailing how non-Jehovah's Witnesses are all going to die and their children are going to be birdfood and the religious leaders too.

Then the persecution will really begin.

Then the American Watchtower leaders will be really pleased.

Ya gotta love this religion....

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When "All" doesn't mean All

by ozziepost in

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the march 15 issue of the watchtower carries a study article with the theme text; "look!

i am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.

" (matthew 28:20).

dungbeetle

about Deuteronomy: true God chose the Israelites, but ANONE was allowed to join the Israelites. Remember when the Israelites fled Egypt, Egyptians went with them. You didn't even have to actually accept the religion; you did have to follow all the rules, and you still were guaranteed the rights and freedoms of the natural Israelites, regardless of their origin.

Unless you killed them first, of course. And also, I'm sure these laws were followed as well by the Israelites as all the others...NOT!!!

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Why did we believe such stupidity?

by anglise in

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another brilliant example of circular reasoning from the wtbts.

*** jv 704 31 how chosen and led by god ***.

chapter 31. how chosen and led by god.

dungbeetle

The Watchtower God is definitely not a God of disorder...

If confronted with a rapist, scream...don't...scream....don't...scream...

Sodom and Gomorrah residents will be resurrected..won't...willl...won't...

organ transplants and medically prescribed blood is okay..isn't..some of it...isn't...maybe...sometimes...never...

elders are chosen: by holy spirt...by other elders...by the Watchtower...by the publishers...by jesus Christ...

I love this quote I put on another thread from the old organization book, page 155:

"Wherever dissension and disunity exist, there is evidence of some unclean force working."

ROTFLMAO

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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New Watchtower CD?

by Xander in

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i'm going to post another thread on this since my last attempt to hijack a thread was utterly in vain.. does anyone have the latest watchtower library cd?

i *think* the year was '99 or '01, but i'm not 100% on that.. if so, would it be possible to put an iso of it on the web somewhere?

(or, if not, at least host it on your computer for a bit such that i could pick it up via icq or gnutella or something?).

dungbeetle

Henry P..if you want a copy of C of C, or ISOCF, I will personally amil you one of each, just give me a mailing address.

Now, will you go to the Kingdom Hall, pick up a REAL cd-rom, and mail it to them? I will even pay the 50.00 or 100.00 that the Society suggests for it.

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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?'S ABOUT DISFELLOWSHIPING

by jiutman in

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what scriptures do the jw's use to back up the practice of disfellowshiping/disassociating?

what scriptures can be used against it?

i would appreciate any help with this.

dungbeetle

Not that anyone ever listens to me BUT...

Jesus ate with sinners, and when confronted with it said that doctors are for sick people, not the well.

There is only the one scriptural example of 'shunning' and it is ambiguous at best. We know what it was that the 'subject' did, but the biblical account is silent about HOW the information came to the Christian's attention; exactly what actions constituted the shunning; the congregational organizational steps that resulted in the 'shunning'; what organizational steps that led to the 'subject's 'acceptance' and what his status actually was upon his return and thereafter. The scriptural account also doesn't say exactly what the subject did to 'make things right'.

What this group of men in Brooklyn/New York/Pennsylvania had to do in order to build a large facet of their religious organization around this ONE SCRIPTURE is to break a lot of Scriptural principles that had been accepted for centuries.

1) Not to add to or take away from the Scriptures. To take that one scripture and build a religion around it, they had, as can be shown, to completely add into the scripture a lot of things that aren't there. Paul specifically stated that if anyone came with a different doctrine than what was taught them, they were to be accursed...he said it twice for emphasis.

2) Since the person was 'living' with a woman, he obviously was an adult. To practice child baptism, expuslion and enforced shunning on minors and using this scripture for it is patently ridiculous and violates a lot of scriptural principles, and I believe the Watchtower is slowly but surely being held accountable for this Man-made traditon it's been practicing; for example Bulgaria, Russia, Canada, France and even here in the United States.

3) Jesus said he wanted mercy, not sacrifice. James said to provide the 'neccesities for their body'. Jehovah said that the sacrificing of a child 'did not even come up into his heart'. Jesus made it clear, with his historically famous illustration of the Samaritan, that we are to do PHYSICAL GOOD WORKS even--if not especially--for people of different religions. The practice of expulsion and shunning children and those that are in need of mental health care and intervention obviously violates everything Jesus came to earth FOR. These practices are obviously man-made and added TO the scriptures.

4)The Watchtower likes to say that expulsion and shunning is analgous to captial punsihment that the governments practice. And Jesus said this WHERE? The Bible says this WHERE?

Just a few thoughts; believe me there are plenty more.

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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?'S ABOUT DISFELLOWSHIPING

by jiutman in

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what scriptures do the jw's use to back up the practice of disfellowshiping/disassociating?

what scriptures can be used against it?

i would appreciate any help with this.

dungbeetle

In the 'Organization book' <gag> <choke> it says things like:

"We must be obedient to the truth with genuine, heartfelt love for God, and his righteousness for our brothers if we are to remain clean in this way. Only then will God's spirit, which is alos holy, guide us.

While on earth, Christ Jesus set the example for those who would form his congregation of anointed follwers. His purpose finally to "present the congregation to himself in its splendor...holy and without blemish."

After Jeusus' death and resurrection, the apostles and others taking the lead among the early Christians showed great concern for maintaing the purity of the congregation....Not only the anointed remnant, but the great crowd of "other sheep" appreciate the need for keeping their identification (represented by white robes) as clean servants of God, separate from the world.

Wherever dissension and disunity exist , there is evidence of some unclean force working."

____________________________________________________________________

Under 'Judicial Committee" no scriptures are given to justify this arrangement.

You may also notice, that a 'requirement' for confessing a private sin to 'older ones' has no scripturally listed support as well.

Some people like to use the Scripture where Paul says "take the ...person and put him out from among you, that he should be just as the man of the nations, not even eating with such a one, not even exchanging a greeting with such a one."

What I really like, is explaining to Jehovah's Witnesses that expulsion and enforced shunning is 'new light'. It is a recent addition to the religion. And that in the beginning, the list of conduct covered was very small, and over the years the list has grown and grown.

I love throwing that comment about the 'disunity means the demons are around'. When JW's respond about..well, imperferct humans and all that...well, that isn't what your OM book says. Do we hear major doctirnal flip-flops anyone?

You can see why this book is so 'secret' as well as the 'elders book', neither of which are available on the Watchtower cd-roms. hmmmmmmmmm.

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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was there anything good?

by singsongboi in

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i sometimes ask myself this question - i think i was 'there' for nearly 40 years and wonder at the waste.. what good came from it?

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did anyone really find some good in all of the things we did?

dungbeetle

When asking JW's why do JW's do bad things, the canned response is: because they're imperfect human beings, because people make mistakes, because all religions have those problems.

Then it cannot be untrue that, when Jehovah's Witnesses do GOOD things; they're imperfect human beings, because people do good things, because good people exist in all religions.

No, it was not a waste of time because as Maximus is so fond of saying, "It isn't the destination, it's the journey."

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Do you think Jerry & Pat should go to Bethel?

by Mindchild in

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i read something a bit shocking and wanted to pass it on to you to view for yourself.. doctor jerry falwell and pat robertson had a exchange on the 700 club that implyied that terrorist attacks against the us were deserved, and the result of divine judgment.

when i went on to read what they had to say, i just couldn't help but think that these guys should be working for the watchtower.. the entire transcript of the 13 sep 2001 conversation between falwell and robertson can be found on the people for the american way web site: http://www.pfaw.org/issues/liberty/robertson_falwell.shtml i quoted part of it here:.

falwell: ....and i agree totally with you that the lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years.

dungbeetle

1812? what about Pearl harbor? Did I miss something...?

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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Judge rejects girl's request to stop transfusion

by Lady Lee in

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news story .

judge rejects alta girl's request to stop transfusions due to religion.

carol harrington .

dungbeetle

You're right, Henry P.

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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how many JW on this site

by happy man in

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the name of the site, jehovas vittness.com?.

well sure we must have permission to say what we fell here, cant understan that ex say that this is ther site,.

havent they red the heading.

dungbeetle

Happy Man, it's not about expressing what you think...it's saying things that are not true. Like "Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who refuse war and die for it,". What an insult to all of those hundreds, maybe even thousands, who died under Hitler's regime for refusal to bear arms. Catholics, Protestants, Shakers, Quakers and Mennonites, Armstongs, Russelites...the list is horrendous.

Such statements will NOT go unanswered on a discussion board like this, JUST SO YOU KNOW. And just because you bakpedaled your sorry behind and said..."Oh it was just my opinion" IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU.

You, and Fredhall, and NYTelefake, and You Know have yet to submit proof that any of you are Jehovah's Witnesses, or for that matter ever were. Not a shred of evidence have you produced toward that end. In fact, when someone comes to the board, you people are the LAST ones to be able to answer correctly, IF AT ALL, questions about current watchtower doctrine.

If a Jehovah's Witness comes here and cannot find support for their Watchtower membership and support, you people named above and others like you have no one to blame but yourselves. That 'zero or negative growth in over 70 countries' will double by next year, if it depended on you people.

So just keep at it, y'all. We thanks ya!!!!!!!

In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"