Posts by Bam412

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Just What Is The WT Up To Now?

by lovelylil in

has anyone heard about what is going on inside the organization these days regarding those who claim to be "anointed" christians?

i have had at least three different people now who live in different areas of the country tell me that the elders are systematically pushing out people who claim to have become anointed within the last few years.

these would be younger ones who are now professing the heavenly rather than earthly hope.. i find this interesting for several reasons.

Bam412

When my mum declared herself anointed she got a lot of opposition within, she had to flea one KH or they would have d/f'd her. She is now in her 60's and I personally think she was going through depression when she declared herself chosen. I doubt if god would want her in heaven with him, she would talk over him and tell him where he was going wrong. Meek and mild are not words you would associate with my mum. She is controlling, but she is also someone who has put her heart and soul into worshipping Jehovah and following his organisation despite all the crap it has thrown at her. I wouldn't know where to start there, but I remember when I was growing up and my dad hit her once and she went to the elders and all they said is that you need to be in submission or these things will continue happening. I wrote to Bethel complaining and I was very young, but they never responded. Also she has had a feud with her neighbour over land entitlement who was very mentally challenged, and the PO in the congregation volunteered himself a witness in court, siding with this man over my mum, he had no business in any of this but went out of his way to make it his business. She lives on her own in an empty house South West of England and does everything for the religion. You don't get many like that in the religion who are that zealous although she does have her faults. She is a difficult person, but she doesn't deserve the grief she gets. She genuinely thinks that she gets this grief because Christ got likewise and she is a bride of Christ! I just think the religion, especially the elders and attachees to them are nasty pieces of shit. On the whole, they have silly menial jobs where they get told what to do by non-JW's who are half their age, they build up a lot of frustration because of this and let it rip within the congregation. My mum could have been something, but because of that religion she has fucked up her life completely. It breaks my heart that she cannot see that there is true happiness out there and being a JW only enhances her depression, which she refuses to get help for or admit that she has depression. I cannot even advise her to get help - when I have she tells me I'm demonic! JW org is a classic mind control religion, it seeks to divide and rule - anointed / great crowd = class system, it doesn't promote peace and harmony. But then I am yet to find anything within the religion that does. They can draw their simplistic pictures of a child stroking a tiger and promote an ideology, but when youre in it you realise that the religion is very very rotten, ugly and vile.

It's my birthday today and my birthday wish is that my mum leaves that evil religion, and allows her children (all 4 of us grew up in the JW religion but quick stepped out when it the opportunity arosed), her grandchildren (6 of them) to show her how to live life in a happy, positive and fulfilling way. The religion doesn't allow you happiness. Fingers crossed.

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My Story

by nonamegiven in

well, my story isnt as exciting or as tragic as many are, but its mine so ill tell it.

the early years:.

i was raised in the truth but we were inactive for many years.

Bam412

I feel for you and your wife, and wish you happiness in the future. I am being nosy or blind, but is you wife still a JW?

I admire your strength to get out of that religion, it isn't easy.

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Were You Ever a Victim of Jealousy?

by compound complex in

dear friends,.

despite our noble intentions and the hope that we'll behave ourselves, we are downright human.

i just saw beaches again last night (bought the used tape for four bucks) and was reminded how that evil, green-eyed monster can destroy the best of relationships.

Bam412

It was mainly by my mum amazingly. I didn't see it that way but looking back its the only explanation. I left the religion at 15/16 and went straight from home to living with my boyfriend of the time who I met in the record shop I worked in. It didn't work out, I had far too much baggage and used to fear the hell out of him talking about dying at armageddon at 2 in the morning! Anyhow that fizzled out and my mum got me when I was weak and nowhere to go, so I moved back home and then back to the meetings and then baptised, and then pioneered and then got to go on the platform a lot to talk about my FS experiences blah-de-blah - I was your prodigal daughter so to speak, from a life of drugs and immorality, I repented and returned and became a JW success!! We didn't go to our local congregation as the elders were mini-hitlers there was no debating it, unless you were related to one, or in their clique, you were treated like a peice of sh*t on the shoe basically. My mum still confesses to be anointed and a little woman who raised 4 children single-handed in that congregation and refused to allow the elders to assist (she's authority challenged) coming out a few years later and saying I have had the holy spirit beam me up scotty or something like that, proved a little too much for these Village Napoleans! So she had already moved with my sister to a city cong which was a train ride away. So yeah, I got myself a part-time mind-numbing job; data inputting which gave me £70 a week. My mum charged me £40 a week to live with her and my train ticket for the week was £20. Somehow I was ok with this! Then my mum said that I wasn't paying her enough and put my rent up to £45 and then to £50. I didn't grumble though as to me I was doing the work of the lord! When I started getting friendly with the bros and sis in the cong, she gave me a curfew of 9pm; I was 22!! The last straw was when I got up one morning to go on the FS and she came downstairs and said 'I want you and (my sis), out of my house' as we were not supporting her. She said that I had some music that was demonic - I used to work in a record shop and did get a lot of freebies, when I came back to the religion I threw out approx. 300 records most promos and be worth a few quid now and about 200 CDs, all I had left was basic acoustic stuff which in my JW hay-day was ok with my conscience. So that wasn't true.

Luckily a JW sister let me stay with her and she was good friends with some elder's wifes and hence they supported me, and I got back on my feet, quit the pioneering, got a full time job to afford a flat with my sis, in a bank which let me have a social life again. Then a new sister came into the congregation and turned out to be psychotic and had it in for my sister and I. But thats a story for another time!

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Heartwarming experience from China

by What-A-Coincidence in

!gag alert!!!.

subject: fwd: heartwarming experience from china.

an experience given by a brother in a congregation up north.

Bam412

What is wrong with this Chinese guy - if he does exist and not some bloke's imagination? They have an amazing religion - Taoism which is part philosophy / part religion and if there was a religion that I had to choose, this one would be in my top 3 (although I personally think religion is for people who are too scared to use their own mind). It goes back thousands of years, and this guy is choosing JW religion - sorry why? Obviously the education system isn't all it is made out to be in China!! Or this is a load of BS!!

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my very personal history!

by weary in

my history: i grew up as one of jw's.

parents are still.

both brothers have been df'd.

Bam412

Just want to wish you all the best for the future - leaving the religion is no easy task. I agree that you should get professional help. Can't your brothers (you said they were DF'd) assist you? I just want to wish you the best. Also Cindi. That couple who spoke about losing their child to leukemia, and not having a blood transfusion is a horrendous story. I had to sign a form when I had my son by emergency caeserean to have blood if necessary. It never crossed my mind once to say no! Although due to being brought up a JW I did have a what if alarm call in my head one night with baby kicking and not letting me sleep, and then I positively said I would have one if necessary. I had carried this heavy boy for 9months (and not able to see my feet for the last 4 months) and bonded with him before he hit the world. It's natural for any mother (or father) to do what is best for their child. How dare any religion take the right of what is natural and instinctive away from you. The JW have too much blood spilled, they are murderers and there is no escaping it. Blood saves life and there is no other parallel alternative, despite what they say. There is little done in the way of research to provide other options mainly because blood is the most effective therapy.

It is hard at first drawing the final curtain so to speak - but as time goes by its amazing how liberating it all becomes!

Good luck the both of you - be strong and live life to the max. xx

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Um..hi...I'm new too!

by Ex-Jo Ho in

wow!

i came across this site and i felt a huge weight come off of my shoulders!

someone understands!

Bam412

Welcome! I have only started looking on these sites and adding stuff too - I still had it in the back of my head that youre a load of apostates! How crazy is that! I know that youre not, especially from reading these site. Life is about living for today and it's bloody great int it!

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What Difference Is There Between Your Life As A Witness----And Now??

by minimus in

are things sooooo different now??

?

Bam412

I wouldn't say that I have run off to that rainbow and found gold and living happier ever after... I still get happy days and miserable days, but I am realise now that this is normal and happens to everyone. To blame Satan for bad and thank Jehovah for good is just a form of superstition and mentally, very unhealthy.

For me however, the pro's are: -

Getting pissed and feeling good about it!

Doing those things you do with the one you love and not worrying that a Watchtower is coming out and feel that everyone is pointing at you!

Reading a fictional book and not feel guilty because you haven't done this week's bible reading! Generally having a good time and not worrying that you haven't prestudied a book about Jesus' life for the 5th time running!

Finding really true friends who love you unconditionally and are really there for you. They are not going to judge you because you did something that the WTS say not to.

Not being judged wrongly all the time by badly educated simpletons who don't know themselves but feel it their obligation to know and judge you. And worse, having to answer to them! Arghhhhhhhhhhh...

Freedom of speech.

Having my confidence back!

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RADICAL ELDERS WHO BROKE THE RULES - we salute you

by dannygwalsh in

thought id inject a bit of light hearted humor , any stories of elders who were unorthodox in a witness way , .

there was one elder in the hall i used to attend called ronnie [edit] , who i still like and admire as a person to this day , he was always very outspoken when he didnt agree with the society on there policy and doctrines and was pra, ctically opposed to bethel service , i remember him giving a talk on applying for bethel service in the km many years ago , and at the end of the talk he said joking with a wry smile , i dont know why any of the brothers would want to do that , sounds like slave labour to me, also whe he was conducting the revelation book study , when it talked about the seven plagues of god being fulfilled in a wt convention in ohio in 1919 , he turned round and said , i dont know where the society get all this from , ... .

he also had a very distinctive voice spoken thru pursed lips in a rasp like voice saying thats just stupid , whenever he didnt agree with the society and other elders , a great man in spite of his beliefs , he was one of the elders on my jc who srongly opposed my disfellowshipping , but he was overuled- .

Bam412

We had a racist elder who said from the platform once, that all god's people will inherit the kingdom even wogs! Actually he didn't break the rule - he's still an elder.

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Personality of "Anointed" JWs

by Smiles in

did you notice any similarities in the personalities of "anointed" jws?.

did they use their anointed status for personal advantage?.

were they the most loving person you ever met?.

Bam412

My mother after her divorce and hitting the menopause declared herself annointed, which was the same time I quick-stepped out of the religion (at the age of 15/16) - it was kind of the last straw! I went back in 4 years later though. Nothing seemed to go right for me when I left initially and I was young and thought it was god punishing me. I finally left 4 years later and my head is clear and I put anyone off religion as it is the 'opium of the masses'. Karl Marx is right! And, I have never looked back. I am now married with a gorgeous son who is celebrating his 2nd birthday next month - still can't think what to get him. Maybe a trampeline...

Anyway, you'll know my mother when you go to Mutley Congregation in Plymouth Devon UK, she is the one wearing an Easter Bonnet on her head on memorial night. When I returned for a while I sat next to her once. She came in like she was royalty and even though the elder conducting the memorial did the prayer for the bread and then the wine - she did her own. She gulped the wine down and did a burp and took the biggest bite out of the unleavened bread and I could hear her crunching it through the rest of the meeting! Afterwards, she sat on her own at the front of the meeting and only one of the congregation's simpletons and a lost child spoke to her - she told me later that they would be blessed and the rest will have to answer to Jesus as they are supporting his chosen one, and showed me in scripture the bit about the apostles not being there for Jesus on his last night. Anyway, I made it art form to not sit next to her again. Everyone thinks that she is a loon and although she's my mother, I have to agree with them. She doesn't even live in Devon, she lives in Cornwall and gets the train back and forth from the meeting. No one has ever cared about the fact that she doesn't get home to midnight or offer to give her lift - but she alienates people by talking at them and not with them, and generally being odd. She doesn't go to her local meeting as the elders are against her (she is actually correct there).

Although I am DA'd she still talks to me occassionally because she says it wasn't announced so I am not technically. But when I do have the 'joy' of conversation with her, she rants on about her success with the Chinese immigrants and asks me when I am going to return to my father. I explain that he up'd and left some years ago and hasn't kept contact and she says no your true father. I know what she's getting at and what ever logical reasoning I give back to her, it falls on wasted ears. She displays all the symptoms of depression and if you dare try to bring this to her attention she will say that I am Satan trying to destroy her because she is a chosen one. She thinks the the CIA, MI5, FBI, George Bush, Tony Blair (the lot) are bugging her and as she is god's chosen one and when I recently tried to explain that JWs aren't that big a religion and if any bugging is going on it is on suspected Muslim Fundamentalists she tells me that she knew I would say that because they have told me to say this and everybody is against her - because she is (wait for it) a chosen one.

She makes more times for the Chinese than for her own grand-children for which she has 6. I have a sister and two brothers - we all left the religion and it's only her left in it. She doesn't talk to me brother because he is DA'd and it was announced, the other one never baptised so he get's the enlightening conversation from her from time to time, and my sister who has a baby boy (same age as mine) and lives with her boyfriend (hell-fire and sulphur) also gets enlightening conversation from her from time to time - she is also DA'd. So we're not quite sure how her logic works. All we know is that she seeks to divide and rule and she has lost control, so attention seeking in a congregation who couldn't care less about her is what she has opted for.

I look at her life and think it's totally wasted. She could have it so much better if she made time for her grand-children and dealt with her mental illness. But I don't think she'll ever admit that she has made a horrible mistake all these years and it makes me angry that I have to watch this and be powerless. I just know that my son (and hopefully more soon), will have a life that doesn't make him feel unworthy, lack confidence or embarrassed. I want him to embrase life and travel, go to university and better himself whenever the chances arise and I will do everything in my power to ensure that they do.

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Should I DA myself or not?

by Mrs Smith in

this is my first post, some of you have read my hubby's story - agent smith - anyway i was just wondering if i should write a letter to disassociate myself or just leave things as they are.

i have not been to meetings for about 8yrs but have only just come to realize what a load of rubbish the jw's teach.

now that i have read "crisis of conscience" i have no doubt that jw's are corrupt.

Bam412

Hi there! I was raised a JW, I finally left at the age of 28 and I am now almost 34. Anyway at first when I left, I went travelling with a friend I worked with previously and sun, relaxation and time to think and use her as my therapist, I tried to unjumble everything and make sense and it helped beyond belief. When I got back to the UK, I just got back to work and I just thought you know what I want to move on completely and the only way I can is to remove myself from the religion once and for all. So I did round about 30 years old. Anyhow, I moved to a few congregations around London and my records got lost somewhere along the way, so I wrote to Bethel and told them my congregation chronology and told them to remove me from their records as I don't want to be associated with a religion that protects paedophiles and the rest.... My mum has always made it clear that if I was disfellowshipped or disassociated (the latter being worse) she would have nothing to do with me. She ignores my brother as he is. But to this day she still speaks to me to insist that I return to 'my father'. I told her that I am disassociated and she said that she has never heard this announced so she doesn't think I am!! My sister tried to DA herself from the JWs and she was only about 2 years left from the congregation, she called the PO and he couldn't remember who she was! So maybe I am not helping, but for my sake I feel good that I have made a conscious decision to move on with my life, but the JW religion consists of not the brightest sparks to walk this earth, so it might not get announced, but it will make you feel a whole lot better (although I would prefer that my name was not lingering on their database system somewhere, but guess I'll never know - they seem rather protective with their databases!!). You seem moved on as it's been 8 years, but to be completely free is very liberating!! Good luck in what ever you decide.