Posts by Bam412

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A Jehovah's witness - Pioneer

by Fly in

it was a waste wasting 15 years of my life on this false religion.

i've cried when i find out that this religion is bull shit and are false prophets.

i'm a pioneer still and supposed to meet up in service with this brotha tomorr but i'm not going.

I am interested to know why you think that it is a false religion and want an exit strategy? I agree that you should fade out gradually. I was rasied one and then I finally let go at 28. But it was gradual and I had a lot of conscience battling and now realise that it wasn't my conscience I was battling it was the mind control placed on me all the years and I was going through "cold turkey". But none of this is easy and I wish you all the best in relinquishing yourself, it wont be easy at first but it is well worth it. Be strong Fly and all the best.

Bam : )

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divorce question

by depressed in

my soon to be ex-husband's father is the presiding overseer of the congregation and his entire family is very spiritual - including my husband's sister and her husband who serve in gilead.. to make a long story short, my husband and i used to serve in bethel but eventually left.

we moved around the nyc area where we both took on full time jobs, pursued our four year degrees, and led pretty successful lives.

i left the organization, because i was tired of gossip, etc and half of my family was disfellowshipped.

Bam412

I am really sorry for your recent fate, unfortunately that's life, we have to go through good and bad times but that is what makes us who we are. When I have had horrible stuff happen to me, it has made me stronger, it's true that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. My only bit of advice for you is to cut all connections with you ex-husband, his family and stop tormenting yourself on the what ifs. They seem very tricky if they are not honest and open enough to answer you when you put unanswered questions to them; where is there respect for you? You are going through a horrible time in your life and they are meant to be supportive to you, how can they be so cold.

So my advice is to cut them out of your life, work on yourself (outer and inner) and do not let them know what you are up to. I am sure they will make contact with you if they don't know (same goes for your husband) what you are up to and just be gracious and polite and even if you don't feel it at the moment, let them know you are happy and coping exceedingly well despite what's been thrown at you. I look at my mum and dad's divorce and my mum just let herself go. Whereas a friend's mum and dad got divorced after 25 yrs and she did her depressed stage; we all do, and then she got on her feet and she looks amazing, she's got remarried and lives better than she ever did with her first husband.

Just be strong and you don't need people like that in your life, they are negative and will only have that effect on you, surround yourself with people who make you positive and feel good about yourself. Good luck - I am sure in a few years time we will be hearing how amazing your life is, you have to get through the bad times to get to the good, so here's to the future!!

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JW Single Parents

by merfi in

how are/were they treated in your cong?

in ours, there were about three of us, all in very different situations.

the first was sorta married (had run off with a wordly guy, da'd, came back and got ri, had a baby, husband off in colorado somewhere).

Bam412

Ahh how I miss growing up in the JW religion as a single-parent child!! The hypocrisy that comes out of that religion is unbelievable. All the Watchtower studies about how the single-parent children should be comforted and looked after LOL!!! Reality was that when there was anything untowards going on; namely the elder's daughter going clubbing, or shaggin around; of course it's the single parent child's fault even though they weren't present at the time as they were studying their WT for the next mtg. But if there was any blame to be apportioned well that was my role within the organisation!!

Good for you for getting away from it, you seem like a sorted woman which elders never like mainly as their wives are alcoholics or valium'd up to the eyeballs and any woman who has half a brain intimidates them. Also if you have children, believe me it's child abuse to bring them up in that religion. I left, partied very hard, travelled, got married and now have a son and although my mother still yearns for the day that I return, she can yearn away, my son is being raised in a normal and healthy way.

Also if you want to get into another relationship, there isn't the best looking, intellectual fish in that religion!!

Good luck bella!

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Just What Is The WT Up To Now?

by lovelylil in

has anyone heard about what is going on inside the organization these days regarding those who claim to be "anointed" christians?

i have had at least three different people now who live in different areas of the country tell me that the elders are systematically pushing out people who claim to have become anointed within the last few years.

these would be younger ones who are now professing the heavenly rather than earthly hope.. i find this interesting for several reasons.

Bam412

When my mum declared herself anointed she got a lot of opposition within, she had to flea one KH or they would have d/f'd her. She is now in her 60's and I personally think she was going through depression when she declared herself chosen. I doubt if god would want her in heaven with him, she would talk over him and tell him where he was going wrong. Meek and mild are not words you would associate with my mum. She is controlling, but she is also someone who has put her heart and soul into worshipping Jehovah and following his organisation despite all the crap it has thrown at her. I wouldn't know where to start there, but I remember when I was growing up and my dad hit her once and she went to the elders and all they said is that you need to be in submission or these things will continue happening. I wrote to Bethel complaining and I was very young, but they never responded. Also she has had a feud with her neighbour over land entitlement who was very mentally challenged, and the PO in the congregation volunteered himself a witness in court, siding with this man over my mum, he had no business in any of this but went out of his way to make it his business. She lives on her own in an empty house South West of England and does everything for the religion. You don't get many like that in the religion who are that zealous although she does have her faults. She is a difficult person, but she doesn't deserve the grief she gets. She genuinely thinks that she gets this grief because Christ got likewise and she is a bride of Christ! I just think the religion, especially the elders and attachees to them are nasty pieces of shit. On the whole, they have silly menial jobs where they get told what to do by non-JW's who are half their age, they build up a lot of frustration because of this and let it rip within the congregation. My mum could have been something, but because of that religion she has fucked up her life completely. It breaks my heart that she cannot see that there is true happiness out there and being a JW only enhances her depression, which she refuses to get help for or admit that she has depression. I cannot even advise her to get help - when I have she tells me I'm demonic! JW org is a classic mind control religion, it seeks to divide and rule - anointed / great crowd = class system, it doesn't promote peace and harmony. But then I am yet to find anything within the religion that does. They can draw their simplistic pictures of a child stroking a tiger and promote an ideology, but when youre in it you realise that the religion is very very rotten, ugly and vile.

It's my birthday today and my birthday wish is that my mum leaves that evil religion, and allows her children (all 4 of us grew up in the JW religion but quick stepped out when it the opportunity arosed), her grandchildren (6 of them) to show her how to live life in a happy, positive and fulfilling way. The religion doesn't allow you happiness. Fingers crossed.

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My Story

by nonamegiven in

well, my story isnt as exciting or as tragic as many are, but its mine so ill tell it.

the early years:.

i was raised in the truth but we were inactive for many years.

Bam412

I feel for you and your wife, and wish you happiness in the future. I am being nosy or blind, but is you wife still a JW?

I admire your strength to get out of that religion, it isn't easy.

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Were You Ever a Victim of Jealousy?

by compound complex in

dear friends,.

despite our noble intentions and the hope that we'll behave ourselves, we are downright human.

i just saw beaches again last night (bought the used tape for four bucks) and was reminded how that evil, green-eyed monster can destroy the best of relationships.

Bam412

It was mainly by my mum amazingly. I didn't see it that way but looking back its the only explanation. I left the religion at 15/16 and went straight from home to living with my boyfriend of the time who I met in the record shop I worked in. It didn't work out, I had far too much baggage and used to fear the hell out of him talking about dying at armageddon at 2 in the morning! Anyhow that fizzled out and my mum got me when I was weak and nowhere to go, so I moved back home and then back to the meetings and then baptised, and then pioneered and then got to go on the platform a lot to talk about my FS experiences blah-de-blah - I was your prodigal daughter so to speak, from a life of drugs and immorality, I repented and returned and became a JW success!! We didn't go to our local congregation as the elders were mini-hitlers there was no debating it, unless you were related to one, or in their clique, you were treated like a peice of sh*t on the shoe basically. My mum still confesses to be anointed and a little woman who raised 4 children single-handed in that congregation and refused to allow the elders to assist (she's authority challenged) coming out a few years later and saying I have had the holy spirit beam me up scotty or something like that, proved a little too much for these Village Napoleans! So she had already moved with my sister to a city cong which was a train ride away. So yeah, I got myself a part-time mind-numbing job; data inputting which gave me £70 a week. My mum charged me £40 a week to live with her and my train ticket for the week was £20. Somehow I was ok with this! Then my mum said that I wasn't paying her enough and put my rent up to £45 and then to £50. I didn't grumble though as to me I was doing the work of the lord! When I started getting friendly with the bros and sis in the cong, she gave me a curfew of 9pm; I was 22!! The last straw was when I got up one morning to go on the FS and she came downstairs and said 'I want you and (my sis), out of my house' as we were not supporting her. She said that I had some music that was demonic - I used to work in a record shop and did get a lot of freebies, when I came back to the religion I threw out approx. 300 records most promos and be worth a few quid now and about 200 CDs, all I had left was basic acoustic stuff which in my JW hay-day was ok with my conscience. So that wasn't true.

Luckily a JW sister let me stay with her and she was good friends with some elder's wifes and hence they supported me, and I got back on my feet, quit the pioneering, got a full time job to afford a flat with my sis, in a bank which let me have a social life again. Then a new sister came into the congregation and turned out to be psychotic and had it in for my sister and I. But thats a story for another time!

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Heartwarming experience from China

by What-A-Coincidence in

!gag alert!!!.

subject: fwd: heartwarming experience from china.

an experience given by a brother in a congregation up north.

Bam412

What is wrong with this Chinese guy - if he does exist and not some bloke's imagination? They have an amazing religion - Taoism which is part philosophy / part religion and if there was a religion that I had to choose, this one would be in my top 3 (although I personally think religion is for people who are too scared to use their own mind). It goes back thousands of years, and this guy is choosing JW religion - sorry why? Obviously the education system isn't all it is made out to be in China!! Or this is a load of BS!!

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my very personal history!

by weary in

my history: i grew up as one of jw's.

parents are still.

both brothers have been df'd.

Bam412

Just want to wish you all the best for the future - leaving the religion is no easy task. I agree that you should get professional help. Can't your brothers (you said they were DF'd) assist you? I just want to wish you the best. Also Cindi. That couple who spoke about losing their child to leukemia, and not having a blood transfusion is a horrendous story. I had to sign a form when I had my son by emergency caeserean to have blood if necessary. It never crossed my mind once to say no! Although due to being brought up a JW I did have a what if alarm call in my head one night with baby kicking and not letting me sleep, and then I positively said I would have one if necessary. I had carried this heavy boy for 9months (and not able to see my feet for the last 4 months) and bonded with him before he hit the world. It's natural for any mother (or father) to do what is best for their child. How dare any religion take the right of what is natural and instinctive away from you. The JW have too much blood spilled, they are murderers and there is no escaping it. Blood saves life and there is no other parallel alternative, despite what they say. There is little done in the way of research to provide other options mainly because blood is the most effective therapy.

It is hard at first drawing the final curtain so to speak - but as time goes by its amazing how liberating it all becomes!

Good luck the both of you - be strong and live life to the max. xx

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Um..hi...I'm new too!

by Ex-Jo Ho in

wow!

i came across this site and i felt a huge weight come off of my shoulders!

someone understands!

Bam412

Welcome! I have only started looking on these sites and adding stuff too - I still had it in the back of my head that youre a load of apostates! How crazy is that! I know that youre not, especially from reading these site. Life is about living for today and it's bloody great int it!

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What Difference Is There Between Your Life As A Witness----And Now??

by minimus in

are things sooooo different now??

?

Bam412

I wouldn't say that I have run off to that rainbow and found gold and living happier ever after... I still get happy days and miserable days, but I am realise now that this is normal and happens to everyone. To blame Satan for bad and thank Jehovah for good is just a form of superstition and mentally, very unhealthy.

For me however, the pro's are: -

Getting pissed and feeling good about it!

Doing those things you do with the one you love and not worrying that a Watchtower is coming out and feel that everyone is pointing at you!

Reading a fictional book and not feel guilty because you haven't done this week's bible reading! Generally having a good time and not worrying that you haven't prestudied a book about Jesus' life for the 5th time running!

Finding really true friends who love you unconditionally and are really there for you. They are not going to judge you because you did something that the WTS say not to.

Not being judged wrongly all the time by badly educated simpletons who don't know themselves but feel it their obligation to know and judge you. And worse, having to answer to them! Arghhhhhhhhhhh...

Freedom of speech.

Having my confidence back!