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  Best wishes to all...

  by kelsey007 in

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  clearly there is a lot of hate still lingering among many exjw's.

  my coming to these boards about a year ago was an intersting and a growing experience.

  i have learned a lot and it has helped me to feel even better about my decision to leave the wt.

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  Dutchie

  Actually Kelsey, that is not quite what AlanF said: He actually said the following:

  Kelsey worked with the elders in Bill Bowen's congregation to Bill's disadvantage

  Is the statement above true?

  I don't want to quote out of context, so here is AlnF's complete post:

  I'm not going to say much more about this, except the following:

  My information comes from a source I consider unimpeachable.

  Kelsey worked with the elders in Bill Bowen's congregation to Bill's disadvantage.

  It would only serve the purposes of this person, who is apparently working as a double agent of sorts, for me to say more.

  People can believe me or not -- it's your lookout.

  Edited by - Dutchie on 12 October 2002 11:58:26
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  Professional help is available!

  by kelsey007 in

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  many professional organizations are in place that can aid in all aspects of child abuse, including therapy and even litigation.

  one in georgia, funded by united way, is a good example- there are professionals in such organizations whose aim is to aid and who are not fed out of anger against an organization or others.. .

  http://www.unitedwayatl.org/211_database/helpbook/uwma0955ac.html

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  Dutchie

  Thank you Kelsey for that link.

  Yes, there are many organizations out there that are prepared to help abuse victims.

  It is noteworth that many of these large charitable organizations were founded because someone with a vision was angry enough at the injustice they perceived and sought to do something to help those who were suffering. Their grassroots efforts grew and flourished until they became the large charitable organizations we see today. The United Way and others are examples of this.
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  Bye Everybody!

  by Mary in

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  well, tomorrow's the big day........i'm nervous but i just want the surgery over with.

  anyway, i'll be out of commission for a while, so i thought i'd say bye and thanks for all your support over the last few weeks.. take care everyone!.

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  Dutchie

  Best of luck, Mary!

  Rooting for you!!
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  Where is the man who loved Jehovah so much?

  by LyinEyes in

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  i have to explain why i say this, why i miss the man who loved god so much.

  when i met my husband he was only 18 yrs old, and so deligent to serve jehovah.

  we were both so much alike, we loved our god, but also deep down, loved what the world had to offer.

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  Dutchie

  Lying Eyes,

  I am sure Wild Turkey realizes what a truly loving wife he has. You show a mature, deep love for your husband and family that is rare today. It is my pleasure to know both of you.
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  I don't often initiate posts. Instead ...

  by JWinSF in

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  ... i'm usually one who responds to topics that interest me.

  yesterday, i wanted to respond to certain posts, but needed to step back and wait until things became more clear to me.

  i didn't use an attention grabbing subject line for this post [e.g., something referring to raymond franz, bill bowen, silentlambs] since my purpose was basically to express my feelings, whether or not anyone wanted to read them or respond to them.. i watched with bewilderment the recent accusations flung against raymond franz and the comments made by some supporting the accusations both here and on the yahoogroups email list.

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  Hi Andee,

  It is my contention that as long as Mr. Bowen is working toward assisting victims of abuse his lapses in judgment can be noted and should be commented on, but in no way should it cause members of our community to withdraw our support from this cause. Our support can be as little as withholding criticism until the full picture is in. It is, in my opinion, the victims who are the final arbiters of whether or not he is fulfilling the intended agenda of Silentlambs. I believe that he continues to do so even though he may stumble from time to time. Who of us have not made mistakes at one time or another? He becomes a liability only if he does not learn from those mistakes. That is yet to be seen.

  Silentlambs, although it has grown since its inception, is still a grass roots organization. It has yet to snowball into the weighty organization it can and should be rrequiring the need of lawyers, press operatives and the like.

  My solace is that all through history men of vision have had their critics, been ridiculed, called names, were misunderstood.

  My dream is that one day this organization will be known world wide and that its legal representatves and it media persons will make it possible for abused children in all cultures and nations to have a voice.
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  I don't often initiate posts. Instead ...

  by JWinSF in

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  ... i'm usually one who responds to topics that interest me.

  yesterday, i wanted to respond to certain posts, but needed to step back and wait until things became more clear to me.

  i didn't use an attention grabbing subject line for this post [e.g., something referring to raymond franz, bill bowen, silentlambs] since my purpose was basically to express my feelings, whether or not anyone wanted to read them or respond to them.. i watched with bewilderment the recent accusations flung against raymond franz and the comments made by some supporting the accusations both here and on the yahoogroups email list.

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  Hi JW,

  I respect your opinion.

  However, it is just too bad that you are not able to separate personalities from the very important work that Silentlambs has done and will continue to do.

  Was the purpose of your post a call for others to withdtraw their support of Silentlambs as you propose to do?

  Thank you.
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  THEOCRATIC TREASON PRT. 2

  by paulie34 in

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  this is windrider,.

  this will probably be my last post.

  there is no reason any longer to use my time in this forum to present any research i have made that may be able to save lives.

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  Dutchie

  Windrider, please don't be chased away. We need your voice on this forum.

  I am listening and there are others that are listening too.

  Edited by - Dutchie on 10 October 2002 10:24:14
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  So, what did you have for dinner?

  by Princess in

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  i just skimmmed over a lot of angry posts (see all the flames listed below) and i'm in the mood for a little fluff.. what did you have for dinner?

  any good recipes to share?

  anything nice to say at all?.

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  Dutchie

  Thanks for asking Princess.

  I made a salad, baked some sweet potatoes and ordered chicken from Kentucky Fried.

  Too tired to cook when I got home from work.
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  Its about the abuse victims stupid...

  by kelsey007 in

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  simply stated mr bowen should leave some of his judgements and thoughts to be shared with only his wife and very close friends.

  given the spotlight that he has put himself in he is doing a lot of damage to his reputation and credibility.

  my heart goes out, not to mr bowen- he took this road by choice- but to the abuse victims that he claims to offer aid and support to.

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  Dutchie

  Thank you Lilacs. A voice of reason.

  I feel the same way.
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  Bill Bowen, you are no Ray Franz............

  by IslandWoman in

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  "i know ray franz and you are nothing like him.

  " in integrity you are much smaller, in writing ability compared to him you fail miserably, in love for truth you do not compare.. bill bowen, you will never be as great a man as ray franz!

  because you act before you think!

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  Dutchie

  Thanks Alan F, that's explains a lot!