Posts by Dutchie

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Death of 4 JWs After Returning From Cruise

by Funchback in

close friends died returning from cruise ship vacation .

by tim o'neil.

11/13/2002 09:40 pm .

Good morning 2 all u former Dubs out there

by ambush22 in

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ambush is back just thought id say hello fell free 2 post what ever u like and let me know anything u want 2 know about valis+.

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The Bible - inerrant word of God?

by Mr Bean in

the deeper you look into, clearer picture is emerging that god had not any input in these writings at all.

there are many verses, even whole passages which exist in some editions and in some they do not.. he evidently didn't supervised writers or copyists and we have plenty of evidences of that, his name in nt included.. since gospels of peter or thomas are not regarded as valuable and important documentations of jesus' life, only one conclusion comes to my mind.. as a moral guide the bible is an excellent book, written by... men!.

highly recommended!.

Dutchie

I could equally quote passages that say bad things will happen to men when they disobey God.

RWC, therein lies the dilemna. The Bible will say whatever it is we want it to say. Misogny and chauvanism run rampant through the scriptures and the head covering required by women is the least of it. However, your being a man you probably can't see that. You probably think that its proper that women be in subjection because after all we are the "weaker" sex and you are the big, strong man.

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The Bible - inerrant word of God?

by Mr Bean in

the deeper you look into, clearer picture is emerging that god had not any input in these writings at all.

there are many verses, even whole passages which exist in some editions and in some they do not.. he evidently didn't supervised writers or copyists and we have plenty of evidences of that, his name in nt included.. since gospels of peter or thomas are not regarded as valuable and important documentations of jesus' life, only one conclusion comes to my mind.. as a moral guide the bible is an excellent book, written by... men!.

highly recommended!.

Dutchie

Jim, your contention that women in the Bible were treated with respect and as equals is ludicrous. Note the following scriptures:

Genesis 19:5-8:
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so
that we can have sex with them."
Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

Isaiah 3:16-23
The LORD says, "The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks, flirting with their eyes, tripping along with mincing steps, with ornaments jingling on their ankles.

Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion; the LORD will make their scalps bald." In that day the Lord will snatch away their finery: the bangles and headbands and crescent necklaces, the earrings and bracelets and veils, the headdresses and ankle chains and sashes, the perfume bottles and charms, the signet rings and nose rings, the fine robes and the capes and cloaks, the purses and mirrors, and the linen garments and tiaras and shawls.

Numbers 5:12-31
"Speak to the Israelites and say to them: `If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him by sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected ...and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure--or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure-- then he is to take his wife to the priest... "The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse.
Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has slept with
you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband -- here the priest is to put the woman under this curse of the oath--"may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes your thigh to waste away and your abdomen to swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells and your thigh wastes away."
Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

"The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water.
He shall have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering. The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar. The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water.
If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; her abdomen will swell and her thigh waste away, and she will become accursed among her people. If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and defiles herself while married to her husband, or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the LORD and is to apply this entire law to her. The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin."

Deuteronomy 22:20-21:
If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Matthew 18:25 :
Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that
he had be sold to repay the debt.

Isaiah 19:16:
In that day the Egyptians will be like women. They will shudder with fear at the uplifted hand that
the LORD Almighty raises against them.

Jeremiah 50:37:
A sword against her horses and chariots and all the foreigners in her ranks! They will become
women. A sword against her treasures! They will be plundered.

1 Corinthians 14:34:
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in
submission, as the Law says.

1 Timothy 2:11:
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

1 Timothy 2:9 :
I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or
pearls or expensive clothes.

Esther 1:10-22:
According to law, what must be done to Queen Vashti?" he asked. "She has not obeyed the command of King Xerxes that the eunuchs have taken to her."
Then Memucan replied in the presence of the king and the nobles, "Queen Vashti has done wrong, not only against the king but also against all the nobles and the peoples of all the provinces of King Xerxes. For the queen's conduct will become known to all the women, and so they will despise their husbands and say, `King Xerxes commanded Queen Vashti to be brought before him, but she would not come.'

Genesis 3:16:
To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give
birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Judges 11:
And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD: "If you give the Ammonites into my hands,
whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the
Ammonites will be the LORD's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the LORD gave them into his hands.
He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim.
Thus Israel subdued Ammon.
When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his
daughter, dancing to the sound of tambourines! She was an only child. Except for her he had
neither son nor daughter.
When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, "Oh! My daughter! You have made me
miserable and wretched, because I have made a vow to the LORD that I cannot break."
"My father," she replied, "you have given your word to the LORD. Do to me just as you
promised, now that the LORD has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites.
But grant me this one request," she said. "Give me two months to roam the hills and weep
with my friends, because I will never marry."
"You may go," he said. And he let her go for two months. She and the girls went into the hills
and wept because she would never marry.
After the two months, she returned to her father and he did to her as he had vowed. And she
was a virgin. From this comes the Israelite custom that each year the young women of Israel
go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.

Leviticus 12:1-8:
The LORD said to Moses,
"Say to the Israelites: `A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be
ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period.
On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised.
Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not
touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over.
If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her
period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.
"`When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the
priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young
pigeon or a dove for a sin offering.
He shall offer them before the LORD to make atonement for her, and then she will be
ceremonially clean from her flow of blood. "`These are the regulations for the woman who
gives birth to a boy or a girl.
If she cannot afford a lamb, she is to bring two doves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt
offering and the other for a sin offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for her,
and she will be clean.'"

1 Corinthians 11:5:
And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is just
as though her head were shaved.

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My turn for fluff

by shera in

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whats your favorite t.v show(s).

heheh mine is buffy the vampire slayer and angel..lol yep i'm 32. in contrast i like touched by an angel as well.oh...aaaand i like watching the learning channel anything on science

Dutchie

Seinfeld. My favorite show of all time.

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Where Have All The Pretty Women Gone?

by Englishman in

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to explain: i recall in the 60's and 70's driving down portsmouths commercial road during a lunch time.

in the summer, there would be dozens of pretty girls strolling along, enjoying their lunch breaks.. high-heeled, well groomed and shapely of leg and well turned ankle, these delightful creatures smelled as good as they looked and were a real tonic to an over worked young man such as me.. so where are all the pretty women now?

all i see these days are skinny women with their boobies pushed up to their chins and half a pound of shrapnel punched through their noses and ears.

Dutchie

Maybe just being honest with kids without being judgemental is effective??

Nope, LB. She's got a crush on you.

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walking around with a bar of gold...

by happysunshine in

does anybody else deal with this kind of situation?

my current partner of 2 years is very cute, sexy, and exotic.

great, right?

Dutchie

I'm not fooled. You just want everyone to know that your girlfriend is very cute, sexy, and exotic. Okay, got the message.

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God, Those Crazy Brits Are At It Again

by Francois in

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everyone round here is living in fear... ill never trust squirrels again.. knutsford, england, resident blanche kellye, on a squirrel that has attacked several city residents.

the above quote is from this week's newsweek.

how come they don't just make a nice rice pilauf from that squirrel?.

Dutchie

I hate squirrels.

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Where Have All The Pretty Women Gone?

by Englishman in

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friends

to explain: i recall in the 60's and 70's driving down portsmouths commercial road during a lunch time.

in the summer, there would be dozens of pretty girls strolling along, enjoying their lunch breaks.. high-heeled, well groomed and shapely of leg and well turned ankle, these delightful creatures smelled as good as they looked and were a real tonic to an over worked young man such as me.. so where are all the pretty women now?

all i see these days are skinny women with their boobies pushed up to their chins and half a pound of shrapnel punched through their noses and ears.

Dutchie

I agree Joanna. Sometimes when I see the girls from the '50's with the big beehive hair, the puff skirts and the ballet shoes, I just want to know "what the heck were they thinking". But I guess the guys back then thought they were beautiful. Go figure.

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I just passed my written test! Woo-hoo!

by gilwarrior in

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well, i have taken my written test for my taxi job five times already.

this morning i took the test for the fifth time.

out of fourty questions, you can only miss eight.

Dutchie

I knew you could do it.