Posts by LanDi

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If you were the GB, what would you do to prevent to coming demise of JWs?

by jwfacts in

the current growth of jws no longer exceed the population growth, and in many educated countries it is now stagnant.

http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/statistics.htm in 50 years the whole 1914 thing will simply be an embarrasing irrelevance, so for the religion to even exist in 2057 will take some major doctrinal changes.. decrease is quite common for christian religions, except pentecostals, who are experiencing tremendous growth.

maybe they have jesus' blessing.

LanDi

First of all, define demise. Yes, it's true that the Governing Body has been very Wicked - programming its followers to be judgemental towards the attitudes of others regaring their commitment to " the truth" rather than show love and has sculpted the thoughts (often to their detriment) of its members - but then - the bible is incredibly Sexist (so they obserb its teachings well) the God of Old Testament is rather judgemental and fiery so their JEhovah is a the same and Jesus isn't all love (Jesus loves you) like the churches always sprout you only have to read his comments and Paul(Saul) had a definate air of superiority so top marks there. My point is - they are fairly close to the bible in parts but saying that:

1 ) Spiritual adultery - with the UN and their attendance and interference in many other government events.

2) Their well publicised kiddie protection (paedos protection really) policies

3) Their business policies

4) Their lack of love for their followers and failure to observe Christs rule of the Sheep and the Goats (feed and clothe me)

5 ) Their blood transfusion policy - unscriptural child sacrifice to a modern day molech and bringing great shame upon the name of Jehovah.

Although how many religions refuse to go to war? As for the previously mentioned Fornication policy - it MUST stand. The Bible specifically forbids sex outside the marrital arrangement - no getting out of that. But, it doesn't work. Maybe their constant detriment of females begins the path of women are dirty leading to perversions.............................

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Are You Imitating Jehovah in Caring for Others? 6-15-07 WT p18-20

by blondie in

sometimes the side articles in the wt are more "interesting" than the study article.

here are some highlights (if you have the scan feel free to add to this).

first question, where is jesus in this article?

LanDi

Great research. I think that, before I care for others - as in the spirit of Jehovahs direction - I will first judge their commitment to the truth before I show any personal interest - as they may be bad , apostates who don't care for the love of Jehovahs and his governing body (our mother) It's modelled judgemental behaviour intended to keep each other knitted into the fabric of the cult , since you are strictly informed from beginning your association with the cult - " Bad associations spoil useful habits " and thoroughly discouraged form outside interests and associations.

I don't think false caring does any good. But Jesus did say his brothers are those " doing the will of my father " ......................

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UN + Watchtower as an NGO + conspiracy theory?

by cyberguy in

has anyone reviewed this material?

i think the writer is mistaken on a number of issues!.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/.

LanDi

It's laughable how they live in a world of make believe. They even try to say, as posted on here some time back, that it was Jehovah (who ? ) that was simply keeping an eye on his enemy to keep abreast of fullfilment of bible prophecy - excuse me, has God become severely short sighted or something ? He sees all and can relate all through his holyspirit , what is , what was, and what has not yet come to pass.

Yet, we find the WTS secretly in bed with Satans agent, who according to them - has led billions to their destruction by misleading them with false promises from Gods Kingdom. And this is supposed to be irrelevant - despite their constant criticism of "false religion " for far less crimes alot of the time. Who else fits the Harlot so well - as described in their book of Revelation - have they not exposed themselves?

They are everything they have spoken out against - it's almost as if they are taking the p*ss. Yet they can denounce every other religion as false - that doesn't seem right to me. What's more false that a multi billion dollar tax free publishing firm, does God want to be rich or something ? We read in the bible of how Jesus sometimes had nowhere to lay his head. Yet it is for our own protection that we peddle the Watchtower . I can't figure this one out, as a previous thread asked - " Where's the money go " - I mean who seems to be profiting from this ??

It's a mystery of note.

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More Evidence that "666" refers to United Nations

by smontgom in

a new book claims that the number 666 refers to the united nations through the name "haaretz haqaturim", which means "the nations of the united ones.

" commonly known as the number of the beast, the number 666 is from the thirteenth chapter of the book of revelation in the christian bible where verse 18 reads: .

"here is wisdom.

LanDi

If thats the case, The Org must be regretting getting into bed with Satan.

Then again....................

666 actually referred at the time to the Roman emperor .

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The elders serving whose interests?

by greendawn in

the wts claims that the elders are an arrangement by jehovah to lovingly take care of his flock.

this is a typically misleading statement by the fds using the usual smooth talking and references to a divine connection to deceive the r&f.

neither the elders are jehovah's arrangement nor the jws are jehovah's flock.

LanDi

It's interesting because, Jesus says that " if your eye is making you stumble, tear it off and throw it away from you " in several translations, so you could argue that the elders are serving the greater interest.

But one thing that has always got me, is that Jehovahs Witnesses always first want to check your interest " in the truth " before showing kindness - and all fear apostasy like some kind of Kryptonite - apostasy to them simply is someone who disagrees with their viewpoint, regardless of how well backed up their sciptural viewpoint will be.

But one always wonders with the elders because, it can be well documented how wrong so many aspect of JWitness belief system are, but at the same time they also have alot right - we can debate this for time - but elders always look at " the truth " first and formost and whatever stands in the way of your dedication is an obstruction to your spiritual wellbeing and future safety. I would love to see what goes on behind closed doors in elders meetings, but despite offering they never taped me one. Then you have say, you are convicted of sexual immorality, especially as a woman sat before a bunch of men (some of whom I know are rather 'slimey') being asked for the details - I could argue this is sick but then , in the news this week a church going couple, married 25 years were discovered to be running a porn site and she was a swinging lesbian - yet the church took no disciplinary action - they [ the main churches ] even now try to suggest the bible does not support the concept of marriage before sex - so the Jehovahs Witnesses win some points back there.

Maybe....................

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Proof of God's existence

by Blackboo in

from a logical point....i notice that in these threads that there are few here who dont believe in god..but i hate to tell you your dead wrong for having such an ignorant belief like that..instead ya,ll are blaming religion, people, and your personal problems for your lack of faith in god..thats dead wrong.

the non-believers are not looking at the whole picture..just the present..the things that go on in the world happen for a reason and it doesnt mean god doesnt exist.

the bible says "the fool has said in his heart god doesnt exist".

LanDi

It's funny that as stated earlier, religious people always try to scapegoat the Devil for the evils of man, rather than own up to the concept of wickedness that is a capacity within us all. In a horrendous crime you will see, rather than worshipping Satan, the perpetrator endured hardships, social frustrations, and more - these are the causes of crime along with addictions and the like. You may like to know that the crime rate of a given nation, often appears at first glance to mirror the unemployment level, at first glance. Satan involved?

It is a foolish self inflicted wound to blame Satan for the worlds ills, ( I often think he could do with a better public relations department ) The killing of Jamie Bulger - often being sited as his work, rather than a couple of Pond Scum. Let's face it - social deprivation is the biggest problem. A lot of evil can be traced to the resentment of exclusion. We should look I think, at life with open eyes rather than closed.

The world is a much less evil place than you think. Three hundred years ago, children were starving to death on the street of London, England. Today that would be unthinkable. People say it's an evil world where money is our master and wicked, well - that's ridiculous too. Remove money and the world collapses overnight. We have a system for a reason.

The bottom line is this - study Physics. The Universe clearly has a beginning ( we can tell from the bending of lights in the Universe ) but, carbon dating aside - we know the world is definately VERY old. In the words of a Scientist I know " I wouldn't argue it " [ the existence of God ] We know for a fact, that whilst humans were on the Earth, Antartica was where Africa is now - and it was most likely LONG AGO - read Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings by Charles Hapgood.

There is enough evidence and counter evidence in all things not to be sure - open your eyes - small tip. Don't let a mind control religion blind your mind - " Religion is a Snare and a Racket " remember ??????

In the words of Jesus to the Pharisees ' If you were blind you would have no sin, yet you say we see, your sin remains. ' Jehovahs Witnesses therefore are guiltiest of all.

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Feed the Poor or Help the WT? (Mt 25:40 Christ's "Brothers")

by Open mind in

some bible passages i can vaguely remember reading as child without the borg blinders on.

this would usually happen after a speaker introduced a single "proof text" verse in a talk and then i'd keep on reading in the bible instead of staying in sync with the borg software download.

(guess i was destined for "apostasy" .

LanDi

Well, this is one of my favourite ANTI JW Scriptures (purely because I'm wicked and oppose the good news and Jehovahs sovereignty ) but unfortunately, our conclusions fall flat in one major area : " To the least of my BROTHERS " (RSV bible "brethren" ) jesus is also heard to state that " The one doing the WILL OF MY FATHER that one is my brother and sister and mother" So it does state that we serve our brothers in Christ only - however, what is the will of God ?

There are however, many scriptures that say the righteousness of he/she who gives to the poor shall endure forever.

Personally I dont consider the WTB&TS as particularly poor - who at one point used Mt 25:40 as more whipping to get you to go on the ministry, stating that you were feeding and clothing christ brothers (the annointed ) by selling WT material (Im not making this up) so why didn't Jesus just say " support my brothers in the annointing work instead of waffling ?)

MIND BOGGLES...............

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Who masterminded the WT mind control 'routine'? Was it deliberate?

by Gill in

is the wt policy of five meetings a week, daily text, book study prep, book study, thursday meeting prep, thursday meeting, watchtower pre study, public talk, watchtower study, a deliberate ploy to keep the members under mind control?.

is this 'routine' carefully thought out and planned by someone or did the watchtower society just evolve this way 'accidentally'?.

is there a 'mastermind' at work aiming to keep jws tightly under mind control and if so , who is it?.

LanDi

The finger of blame surely points at one man, Joseph Rutherford. This is the guy of unbelievable intelligence, and no morals. The format of two speakers, one on the right and on on the left is very characteristic of a hypnotistic session (don't believe me, buy some hypnotism tapes)

It is without a shadow of a doubt, this man who is the mastermind behind it all. Of course, the society will say it is all for our protection, as Satans system is overpowering.

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United Nations Website: Scan of Watchtower NGO status!!!!

by Lady Liberty in

good evening all,.

just thought i would post the scan of the watchtowers ngo membership straight from the uns website.

so for anyone that has someone saying that is just "apostate" talk like my grandmother said to me..it will be harder to deny it seeing it straight from their site!

LanDi

Of course, this doesn't prove anything : the simple "fact" is that

' It is just Satan trying to spread lies about Jehovahs Organization as the end draws to a close' . Do not associate with this falsehood!

As far as it goes - this will be of no good to convince Dubyas who have been lost to the brainwashing of the Org.

Many thanks Lady Liberty. I will have a read of this article later on.

" You will know the truth. And the truth shall set you free " - JC

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To hell with weither jesus existed what about david and solomon?

by 5go in

if there was no david, and no solomon why was there to be a messiah to be the heir to their empire that never existed.. .

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/david.htm.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/solomon.htm.

LanDi

Well, it's always fashionable to debate things like this these days ! First of all, Historians doubted and laughed at the Bibles account that Solomon had I think it was ten thousand horses - " No one could ever be that rich !" lo and behold , the vast complex that they were kept in was discovered( I believe it is recorded in 'The Bible as history') but they still won't leave it alone.

Jesus IS a more fascinating question. I think it is Gerald Massey who is an expert on the 'Egyptian Origins of Jesus' who casts more doubt on the subject than is probably healthy. (Satan in his cleverness prepared an elaborate set of myths ahead of time to mislead the world from peddling the Watchtower) then there is the Roman Sun God (name escapes me as I sit here) who came to save us all from sin, lamb of god, twelve disciples (list goes on!) purely coincidence - naturally. But I think, when we see that there are other Gospels outside the ones in the Bible that give us a fascinating insight into the life of THAT MAN , such as the Gospel of Thomas 'Why do you love her [Mary Magdalene] more than us?' it makes a good case that he was really here ????