Posts by LanDi

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To active or questioning JWs: Are you rational?

by Confession in

for those of us whove discovered the truth about the watchtower society, it is never surprising when a person who devotes him or herself to an examination of all the pertinent information soon sees theyve been misled.

of course this can only be true for those who, as was the case with me, believe that the watchtower society represents the sole channel of communication from god for rational reasons.

if you are among those who hold this belief for primarily emotional reasons, it is possible that nothingno matter how convincingwill allow you to use your mind on this subject.

LanDi

Well, it's funny becasue at what point do you consider that it isn't the truth anymore? Let me explain. Jesus stated that he would come on an hour nobody knows, and that the sheep and goats would be divided and that the preaching work would take place just before the end and that christians should evangelize. Also, that fornication was a gross sin and so on, so these are TRUTHS within the structure of the biblical arangement which if you believe that must be observed.

Now, how about this , Jesus never existed and was a rehash of Egyptian legends - and that the bible is also a rewrite of the Egyptian holybooks (the Israelites came from Egypt conveniently) The simularity between Jesus and Iris or Osis are most compelling and then there's the Roman SunGod (name escaps me!) who is so similar to Jesus , even down to coming down from heaven to cleanse us from sin, and having twelve disciples, now thats a little too close for comfort - surely when you study these, you are left with no doubt ????

Perhaps. There is virtually no mention of Jesus in the history books, with Historians agreeing that Josephus comments were " added later". Very interesting. The bible is not that impressive technically, when you consider that the Egyptians knew the actual circumference of the earth, let alone Jobs comments that it was round ( a circle ) which it actually isn't.

The society has been one big lie, theocratic warfare ( " The devil is a liar and the father of the lie" - bible) Child sacrifice - blood issue. Protecting paedophiles - even the "wicked people" in the world find that abhorent . But they're all goats to be destroyed. Argue with a Jehovahs witness and you will see thaey are not at all rational, they can only work in a circular WT reasoning. Why the WTBTS even control you down to the conversations you have ( Jehovahs Witnesses enjouy talking about the ministry" - in other words converting more people to the cause)

Very scary mind control cult ? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are it's a duck.

Or just unbelievable incompetence. I believe in the words of the Budda " We are what arises within our minds. With our thoughts we make our world.". We see things not as they are, but as we are. Time will tell, if we are right or wrong. If for one, would rather not support a religion that teaches women to "remember the feelings of their rapist" and that protects paedophiles . But them, I'm wicked to not submit to our "mother" mind control organization.

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My Kingdom Hall is near extinction!!

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

our kingdom hall was started in 1973 with only 3 families totaling 13 people.it grew to 85 members in the early 90's and that's because many were related to these 3 families.with older members dying,the young leaving when they reach 18, 5 divorces and many disfellowshipped,the congregation is down to 26 members.talk about low morale.

where is jehovah's blessing now?

LanDi

I notice that at my local kingdom hall, it's almost empty. I asked one of the elders where everyone was and he told me they were on holiday. Well, I've been a couple of times throughout the year and its always been just as empty. Theocratic warfare perhaps? HOLIDAY?

Its the 1975 situation all again, when many people left because their expectations weren't seen, ie the end of this system within the 1914 generation and the end of this century, which they did proclaim (although thats been omitted) Oh those of little faith. At the end of this system, many will fall away, now is the time people......

At which point do you stop believing, I mean lets face it, we all make mistakes - supporting the Nazi party for example. Yep, can't hold that against em. Although does not the bible say " the devil is a liar and ther father of the lie."? So whats with all this theocratic warfare ???

Babylons waters are drying up, and so it seems are Jehovahs............

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Disfellowshipping is good for a person

by Honesty in

my spouse was df'd 4 years before we were married.

within 13 months she was "re-instated" and by the time we were married had almost healed from the "loving" treatment she endured in her "disfellowshipped state.".

she sincerely believes that her life was enriched by being disfellowshipped because, as a third generation jw she had never "made the truth her own.

LanDi

Yeah its good being treated worse than a paedophile - being treated like a leper.

My uncle was disfellowshipped 35 years ago for some thing stupid, yet my other uncle who severely physically abused his kids I am supposed to respect as an elder, whilst not even saying a greeting to the other.

If this argument doesn't convince you then you are BEYOND HOPE. Remember, Jesus spoke to Satan. The sick $*^£^$£" elder who made comments about me and my three year old brother having SEX I am supposed to respect too. I give him something, not respect.And all the time not even speaking to my Disfellowshipped uncle in the street.

Wake up son The religion is a sick joke

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They make you think there are no good people out there.

by LynnTink in

what a wonderful response i have received from my last (which was my first post) post from everyone here.

the one thing that was drilled into my head was that you can not trust anyone that is not a jw.

i had only one worldly friend since high school and she has been there for me thru everything.

LanDi

Well, they have to because all us Goats are deserving of death for rejecting Jehovah ( who ever he is, as there is no J in Hebrew language and Jehovah comes from inserting the vowels of Adonai [lord] into YHWH and means according to the ever loving WTB+TS "he who causes to become" rather than Yahweh which means we think " He who is") and are of course, entirely wicked.

There are good people out there. No shadow of a doubt - look for example how many people donated to the Indonesian earthquake tsunami disaster fund - of course unfortunately, lets not kid ourselves - it was all stolen and pilfered away. The Dem Republic of Congo should be Africas richest country, but some leader there has pilfered between $20 and $ 40 BILLION from their funds - using it to keep himself in a life of luxury. The world is SICK, but always has been!! In the UK in the 13th century, everybody knew someone or of someone who had been murdered. The whole system is wrong, but thats life unfortuately. For example, the rich. I say if you can make a fortune, well thats your reward. Take Bill Gates, unfair business practises certainly, but he and Warren Beaty give a FORTUNE away - (tax evasion? No not really they give too much)

The truth is? What defines a good person. According to JWs to be a good peson you go out and sell magazines, convert and hassle people to become JWs because of love for them. Well I can tell you a childhood story. My brother and I (4 and 5 years old) were one night being looked after by our JW grandmother whilst our mum went to work and she said to me when she went " dont play" so at night we were in bed with our teddies, making no noise just talking as kids do - he said" I be mom you be dad" ( I remember this like it was yesterday) we lay in our beds making no noise, with the bedside light on. But I remembered seeing a huge figure standing by our bedroom door listening in (we had slits in our bedroom door as it was wood built like window shutters) I was our JW Grandmother. The next morning we got the biggest good hiding !! I asked my mum years later about it she said " I said don't play Gran UP" In other words, my good Christian JW Gran had LIED to get us a good hiding, two children - infants. Yep, now she talks to me I am thirty now " I dont think you're really interested in " the truth" she says.Well to be honest, she lies constantly ( its not lying its "bending the truth" ) and I think, you're a Christian? My JW aunt and her elder husband physically and severely abused their children for years, and she's preaching to me about God!!!!! Lan DI incidentally, is not my real name !! I could tell you much worse stories about JWs I know ( we do however all make mistakes, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God the scriptures say - we're talking shocking stuff I not wish to repeat ) but I won't.

Yeah, Jehovahs Witnesses really can talk. These Christian really are nothing of the sort. Do you know the Awake of 84 tells Women to remember that their rapists are people with feelings??? Yeah well, I say a Rapist once he becomes a rapist is no longer human, and if (date rape a more grey area) needs be - do what it takes. just remember to scream girls, else you "will be as good as dead anyway" and guilty of fornication according to JWs.

Here's some scriptures for you , I hope you enjoy.

PROVERBS 3:9, MATTHEW 25:14-46 MALACHAI 3:10- 11 MATTHEW 25:40 PROVERBS 19:17 PROVERBS 22:9 2 CORINTHIANS 9:6-8

Now, our wonderful mother has done a little magic trip with these scriptures, twisting them beyond recognition to fit WT doctrine. The one that says " what you do for the least of my brothers (feed and clothe when hungry) " means according the Gods channel on earth - support the annointed as much as possible in the field ministry converting people. So much for the parable of the good samaritan, maybe he should have given the poor chap a WT and been on his way??

Well check this scripture then Mark 9:37 -41

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Why the number of "anointed" will never decrease...

by dozy in

jw theology suggests that the work of gathering in the "144,000" has all but ended , particularly since 1935 , and that the number will inevitably diminish to nil.

indeed , some jws maintain that all the anointed will have died and resurrected before armageddon arrives.

the watchtower claims that the fact (?

LanDi

Well, interesting point. In Blackpool (England) We had two annointed - one recently passed away (2.5 years ago) and the other was close to death.(they're all getting on you see) According to Scripture the remaining annointed will be carried straight to heaven at Armageddon - so there must be some left.The latest JW teaching is that therefore Armageddon is imminent within the next couple of years as they are all old and decrepid. Well, I can see that being revised - it seems the WTS is hinting at 2030/40 for Armageddon in its publications recently - as they are repeatedly comparing Now to Noahs day (subtle hints) The great crowd is the new flock, not the annointed who have all now been chosen. I will get a year book and check the figures - probably.

But, In the Michael Jackson case, a member of the Annointed appeared on a TV chat show to show support for him, and he didn't look older than 50/55 or less. Look up on the NET - Michael Jackson JW in good standing.

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The Great Day of Jehovah is NEAR!!!!!!

by Gill in

the year's text for 2007 is from zepheniah 1:14:.

'the great day of jehovah is near.

as usual 'near', 'soon', 'approaching'.....blah blah etc...... watchtower dec 15th 2006.

LanDi

Well, maybe we should be thankful for the warning. How many religions warn us of the impending destruction, not very many. How many religions peddle false ideologies? LOTS. Are JW one, or have they just got a few things wrong? Each person is responsible for his or her own relationship with their creator and so on and so forth.

But, I cannot get my head around this fact. Jehovahs Witnesses (our beloved 'mother' the WTBTS ) is telling us not to seek an education or career in this world, as it could end any minute and will end with fast impendment - so , why are they building luxury apartments in NY if the end is near, why have they paid out the biggest settlement in their history recently ( fatal car crash, bethel member driving ) to protect their future interests and avoid a precedent being set? And why, if I am advised not to seek a higher education which could take 2/3 three years, are the local congregation asking for an extra £100 pounds a week towards renovation of the KH in eight years time " so that we can bring glory to Jehovahs name*" .

* Er, haven't you (WTBTS) dragged that name through the mud with your letting children die without a blood transfusion, ( Thats child ABUSE. If I want to die for my belief that transfusions are ungodly - thats fine I am an adult. Children cannot have their own mind and even more interestingly, I recently read an extremely high ranking surgeon who deals in warzones (sorry don't have name to hand) that children DIE TOO EASILY - they don't understand the need to fight death!!! In other words, an ill child deprived of blood needed will deteriorate FASTER and be more likely to slip away than an adult! IT should be ILLEGAL!!!!!!!! Also their allowing alledged paedophiles to run wild and free ( Two witnesses rule even though Jesus relieved Christians of the Mosaic Law!!) Ah, JEHOVAHS WITNESSES. Gotta love 'em. Even though we're all gonna be destroyed . They're ok though, even if they allow their child to die by withholding life saving treatment. The bible says I think in Timothy that : "a man who neglects his family is worse than a man without faith." . And that in (is it Ezeikiel?) YHWH stated that when the Israelites were sacrificing their kids to him " It never evene entered into my heart.". To me they should be charged with inditement to manslaughter - minimum. Sacrifice to Molech. END OF STORY

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Is Michael Jackson INNOCENT??

by breeze in

i am sure this is not new topic, but today seems to open the ???

, is he just a target because of his wierd behavier.. i want to think he is innocent????.

the press in this country is sometimes off the center of the subject.....maybr not representing the real truth....???.

LanDi

Well, the leading US prosecutor said that he was a CLASSIC paedophile (If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck) This is textbook, and is surely indisputable. The first case brought against him ( in which he settled a HUGE settlement) the prosecutor in the case said that he had a camera in the hall to his bedroom (bear in mind there was a secret passageway in his room leading to a childs bedroom) with an alarm to alert him if anyone was approaching - and that he almost charged him for THAT alone ( ie : he could be alerted to anyone coming and cease any impropriety) The Neverland ranch he said was so higly guarded, no body could get into it without permission.

Jackson even continued to talk to the first boy on the phone after the allegation was made, surely not??? An arrogant attitude, Ive done nothing wrong. I tell you, anyone who accuses usof anything such, we wash my hands and despise for slander.

Surely, an open and shut case?

WELL, NOT NECESSARILY. I watched a programme on him on VH1, and it changed my view, perhaps??? He was very into the JW belief system, even when meeting a fan at the age of 15, the first thing he asked her was " Do you beleive in the devil" and spent an hour witnessing to her about the witnesse believe system. ( The Witnesses actually knocked on her door the NEXT day, holy spirit anyone?) The fact is, Jacko is a very confused young man weighed down by JW teachings and may therefore in resisting his naturally manside (as witnesses teach, to not date unless you wish to marry, not go near a non witness, not date a witness unless in exemplary standing) have turned ASEXUAL.

The textbook has been torn up. Is he innocent. Quite possibly. Still weird though...............

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HAPPINESS IS ....Giving us your MONEY!!!!!!!!

by Gill in

happiness for the wtbts is loadsa, loadsa money!!!!.

november 1st watchtower, 2006, page 21:.

'those who contributed to temple building rejoiced greatly.

LanDi

Well, Donating to the Kingdom work is a beautiful thing - it enables all mankind to learn the truth. It is your duty to free yourself of blood guilt and rescue the world from Satans system. Please give all you can, work 18 hours a week as a cleaner, spend every second of the day on the ministry, evangelize constantly. It is YOUR duty to save those you love.

Well, let's look at this logically. I go to someones door for example, and peddle the Watchtower. Lets take a look :

ME : Hi there, we would like you to know about our beautiful truths [blah blah]

POTENTIAL VICTIM : Can you please explain the benefits of joining your religion:

ME (Wolf in sheeps clothing) : Yes, gladly. You will give us your entire devotion, accept our commands and instruction and our translations of the scriptures without question. We will control your life, your life will be devoted to getting us more followers and it will be a serious sin for you not to preach to people about us every chance you see. We will control even your work habits, your career, your friends will all have to go, and your family too, if we can - because they're under Satans influence. Your discussions will revolve around the ministry from now on, under guidance from our "mother" the ever loving Watchtower Society. You belong to us. We own you and God will be wrathful if we don't. We also [ I look away at this point] allow alledged peodophiles to be head of our congregation - and you must respect them. Do uyou have any children?

POTENTIAL VICTIM : No I don't

ME: Good. Because, if they ever need a blood transfusion, we demand you let them die.

POTENTIAL VICTIM : Bit mean, dont you think?

ME: It is loyalty to God. If you fall in love, we reserve the right to refuse the union, if your potential soulmate isn't agreeable to us. That person must be fully immersed in our way of thinking.

POTENTIAL VICTIM: What If I question anything you teach, along scriptural lines, of course?

ME: Then, you are an apostate, an agent of Satan potentially and your life is in danger. If it doesn't look right - ignore it. The WTS are Gods mouthpiece and only they must be obeyed. Ignore all discrepancies. No matter what. Even if it looks like we are lying.

POTENTIAL VICTIM : You sound like a dangerous cult. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.

ME:You have been mislead by Satan and will be destroyed. Please turn back.

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What hobbies have you started/restarted since leaving the borg?

by exwitless in

jw
friends

my husband and i lament over the things we gave up to become jws.

i was a clarinetist (a good one, if i may say so myself) in the local citizen's band.

i had to quit it because we played patriotic songs.

LanDi

Well, I haven't left as such , but now I'm in charge (apostate alert) and have finally stopped denying myself what I am.

Mark Twain " You will be more ashamed of what you did not do in fifty years than what you did do.". Another I love is (sorry I don't know off the top of my head who said this) is " I warn you if you allow to be any less than what you are capable of being, then you will be desperately unhappy for the rest of your life." AND ITS TRUE!!!!!!!!!

But the WTS don't want you top have a career, college/uni education, friends outside the truth, hobbies ( barely) any existence beyond them. They want you to sepnd 20 hours a week preaching to people and any missed chance to witness is a huge sin! They even tell you what you conversations should revolve around - "Jehovahs witnesses enjoy talking about the ministry". I tell you the truth, there was a time when I genuinely felt I should kill myself - become a JW or die. Gee, I'm sorry but how depressing is that - I don't mean to be blasphemous.

I suffered with ME (CFS) from 15, barely at college always off sick, couldn't hold work down to save my life (could move my legs for 3 days out of 5) and some days couldn't climb out of bed. After the 3rd time I had failed to hold a job(age 18) I was down but OK I knew my time would come (but doesn't it get harder under those circumstance?) but then some of the Witnesses were abusing me. One sister would stare , glare at me because I was out of work ( I started when a brother said his wife had been at work that day in the group and she looked over and glared at me - every day after when she saw me she would glare hatred at me) And so, when I got into art school I thought this is great I don't have to tell anyone what I do - because when they smile and say 'youre not doing anything are you?' I can just reply 'think what you will' without hanging my head in shame. I got excluded for so much time off sick - then the paranoia tore through me - they realy were my enemies, and the abuse I suffered from my JW family dragged the situation on. Inow suffer psychosis, and severe paranoia and split personality.

But, I can finally bee what I want to be in life. No one will take from me my destiny. I will be all I know I can be and hated by the JWs as an apostate. If I am to die, I will feel righteous in doing so. I know I am destined for great things in life, some thing the WTS denied me for too long.

Next year I will be all I can be if it kills me. Just as Bruce Lee says.

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God's 'name'and the Bible

by Gill in

LanDi

Hi. I think that we may never get the truth.

I see it as this - the Hebrews wrote without vowels ie: JHVH and YHWH is the translation of the tetragammon. So the WTS say we do not know the spelling of Jehovah let alone the pronounciation - this concludes that without doubt , Jehovah does NOT appear in the Christian Greek Scriptures once as it would be correctly spelt!!!! It doesn't appear ! A child can understand that concept! I was talking to an elder about this - and he walked away from me !!!!!