the watchtower society said the following as part of their media statement concerning the recent multi-million dollar settlement of 16 child abuse court claims: .
and we will continue to do our utmost to protect children from this horrible crime and sin.
how utterly abysmal is the society's failure to follow their own advice.
Yeah. They're bringing reproach on Jehovahs name like cancer. Good job Jehovah " He who causes to become " is artificial and not really representive of Yahweh " He who is ".
Man.Still the truth though. And all other religions are wicked and from Satan. This joke ain't funny no more.
http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/717263.htm.
that explains it all.
they just didn't know, that it would be harmful to a child.
Well, I would have thought 'Jehovahs holy spirit' would have guided them in that matter. We are after all, encouraged not to think on a matter, but rather wait for them to come up with the answer. I get criticism on this forum for being too open minded toward JWs - but I think at moments like this - you can look from the outside and see what a bunch of a*se it really is. How many children have these idiots harmed ?
not like the scripture (sorry lost my bible!!) ' look after the fatherless boy.' (some where in the front)
yes, it appears they are.
there seems to be a trend lately for the watchtower society to increasingly refer to habakkuk 2:3 and indicate that we are now in a period of 'delay' before armageddon.
for the vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie.
Its a little odd, because as we saw on a previous post, approximately 80 million people are born each year, and to be fair and just everyone has to have the chance to know the truth. So the longer it drags on, more and more potential customers come your way. So you have to lengthen the stay of execution of Gods day of anger, it is the only loving thing to do. When would be a just time to bring the end. According to the WT (sorry dont have date issue) God only destroyed his enemies at the very last moment, and with their wickedness, archaeologist couln't believe he waited so long, may have been the caananites.
what is the net effect of every year that our loving god jehovah, who is patient and desires "none to be destroyed", holds back the winds of destruction?
it ultimately results in roughly 80 million more humans to be added to the pile of post-armageddon bird food.
i've read this concept several times before on jwd but decided to do a little googling to get the 80 million number.
Yes, it seems a pretty harsh penalty for not selling the Watchtower and not submitting to the will of " the faithful and discreet slave.".
Bullies.
This is a difficult one, because the information is a little hard to come by. Word is that the WTS refuses to publish the details because its enemies "may distort the information" and use it to hinder the good news ( paraphrasing here but that is the basic message)
The worth is is difficult to estimate, the value of land and property will sky rocket as we get more overcrowded in this world. They have an awful lot of both ! According to Diane Wilson (Awakening of a Jehovahs Witness), they budgeted $50 million for the refurbishment of a building project, this doubled (despite all the free labour that the Dubs " give to Jehovah " HOW???) and one of the head honchoes said to her " No matter how much we spend the amount we have in the bank never decreases. Its wonderful to see how Jehovah provides ". So they have significant resources . Where from ? The magazines were sold for seemingly pittance (don't be misled! Some larger commercial magazines will sell for approximately the same - take into account cuts [ distributer/ store/ main firm/ partners/] although also remember the advertising revenues balancing it out) The WTS has the largest printing press in the world and with buying in such bulk - are sure to be laughing all the way to the bank. There was a report (New Yorks richest companies - sorry don't have the link but it is on this site) where their yearly net income (Brooklyn) was listed as just short of a BILLION dollars - they have 3340 staff - remember all volunteers ! Then count all their business interests , which they try to deny having! Plus, how many of the faithful donate to the Society in their will and are encouraged to make donations of land and benificiaries. This is a Scandal! All to benefit the distribution of the good news so we can't criticise the good news and important work. Surprisingly profitable. JWs are one of the richest religions around, and size for size, I would argue the Richest in the world! Imagine if, for example counting membership and equilent halls owned per faithful the value of the Catholic Church ?????? And then the JWs call the churches blind for being loaded, when the are even filthier rich !
" If you were Blind, you would have no sin. But you say 'We See' . Your Sin remains. ". - Jesus to the Pharisees
" We are not like Some Peddlers of Gods Word." - (somewhere in Corinthians - sorry dont have a bible to hand - sat in an internet Cafe!)
i hear and see this alot.....debates consisting of two sides picking and hurling scriptures at one another to back up their assertions and guesses...it usually goes nowhere but wastes time and energy that could be more productivily used.. problem being is...in the case of the dubs...they believe that they and their leaders/teachers alone are being granted divine understanding...and you are trying to convince them they do not understand the book they wrote, and what they were trying to say in it basically.
they are allowed to pick and choose what is to be taken literal and figurelative without opposition...and should you point this out..you are in effect calling their leaders and trusted teachers liars.
you would have better luck convincing hitler what exactly he meant and really wanted from his book mien krap...could you convince him he really didn't have a clue and you knew it better than him?
I don't believe it is at all possible, as many repsondents have stated. The Governing Body (Gods Wife and our mother) knows all and has told us to wait for them to clarify a point, rather than us reason it for ourselves (contrary to scripture incidentally). JWs always parrot the societies answer, which is kinda scary. No matter how well you voice your scriptural points, Jws will not understand it ( lifting the veil? ) and act as if you've gone off the subject, when they will indeed use something nothing to do with the subject at hand, usually a " core " JW scripture or a point from the Watchtower to prove they were right. And then they can always call you an apostate, no matter how well backed up your point is. Leave them to it, as Jesus said " Leave them be.Blind guides is what they are. If a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.".
There are none so blind as those who will not see !
But then ............
from the evidence i have found, it was all but etched in stone.
so why try and defend the wts by saying "they never stated armageddon would be in 1975", as one witness tried to throw back at me.. seems that you could show them all the evidence in the world of this false organization, and it will repel right off them.
is there some sort of "force field" kool-aid they're serving at the halls?.
Well, to do that would be to accept that Jehovahs wonderful spirit guided organization that holds our hand and thinks for us, isn't what it says. This would leave a terrible crisis in a persons life, imagine leaning on a pillar, and then suddenly the pillar vanishes. But, to doubt the Org or to say anything against the Org is a sin, and something you do not want to do. Its not a pleasant situation, to think that everyone who criticises Jehovahs Witnesses is an agent of Satan trying to mislead you, but that's the reality of the situation. (isn't it amazing how dubs quote the society rather than think for themselves)
It is simply, a mistake. But then, how much of Gods spirit can they have if they base their whole line and promises on a simple mistranslation of a simple word, something a schoolboy wouldn't miss ? New light though. Hang in there.
many of us that have been out and any from this organization can now stand back and derive a clear picture of why this organization started and the reason it started.
interesting to note the people who started things off such as c.t.russell and his father j. russell both were business minded professionals who both must have certainly known the assets of .
advertising, they must have they owned 5 clothing stores.
Regretably I dont not have my bible as I sit in this internet cafe! But there is a scripture in the 'Christian scriptures' which states " We are not, as some are Pedlers of Gods word.". This is quite interesting, as we know the Jws have made a tidy profit form this venture and the power of dispensing Gods word, must be quite nice?? We are advised by our "Mother"/ "Gods wife" (surely blasphemous?) that we cannot read the Bible alone, for fear of apostasy. Yet the Bible itself, states the opposite (Mark chapter 9 I think) So, its pretty compelling. Gods wife is telling lies about him. Nice.
What kind of corruption and power mad idiocy, can make one proudly trumpet the claim that they are ' Gods Wife ?'
But then one has to ask, the Bible states that one should make disciples of all the nations, preach about Gods kingdom, so on and so forth. How many religions do that?
Maybe, are Jehovahs witnesses to be revealed as the Anti Christ. Lets face it, they've brought more shame on the name of Jehovah than can be imagined. Yet the last time I attended the hall, an Elder was on the platform asking for an extra 50 pounds(93 dollars) a week to refurbish the hall in eight years time to ' truly bring glory to the name of Jehovah.'
Yep, baffles one! I go for, "Satan keeps transforming himself into an angel of light." Corinthians I think. NOT gods publishing house,.
this is for all you scholars out there.
is this acurate?
please show examples were the nwt is clearly wrong.. .
Jehovahs Witnesses must be dancing in the streets now. I can see it - Jehovah has seen it fit to deliver his servants from criticism and the faithful and discreet slave have been vindicated.
I am not a biblical scolar, and it is fair, 96 %+ of people using this forum aren't. So it is difficult for us to comment with full conviction ? We know the Jehovahs Witness cult like line (all opposing views are of those misled by Satan - maybe??) But let us ignore the scriptural points that are beyond non biblical scolars like ourselves who cannot have access to the originals and could not translate more than a handful of words.
I took the NWT and five other bibles, set them all out and compared several scriptures (Not one !) from the Greek Scriptures. What I found was extremely disturbing - to say the message of the NWT is a little different is something of an understatement, important scriptures about being a Christian and serving God, were so poorly rendered in the JW version - they were difficult to understand what they convey.
So, this man who is commenting on the NWT clearly has a hidden agenda. Jehovahs Witness perhaps ???? Or, has the WTS slipped him a few ???
i was looking in the insight book under dfing (it refers you to expelling instead) and found the following list of reasons for dfing:.
some of the offenses that could merit disfellowshipping from the christian congregation are fornication, adultery, homosexuality, greed, extortion, thievery, lying, drunkenness, reviling, spiritism, murder, idolatry, apostasy, and the causing of divisions in the congregation.. it sounds like doubt in god and/or the wt would all be grounds, but where do they fit under the list?
would they label this as idolatry or apostasy, maybe?
What the Monkeys is apostasy ? A Jehovahs Witness relative has accused me of Apostasy - criticising the blood issue !!! Despite the fact that I showed my JW relative scriptures relating to child sacrifice in Jeremiah and explained that the bible states that we abstain from CONSUMING blood (which inhibit the digestion process) so that " it may not be injurious to you" as the bible states. Letting a child die (sacrifice to Molech) is SICK. And he went on quoting the Watchtower - that 60% of blood transfusion recipiants have to be kept on drugs to keep them alive BECAUSE OF THE BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS EFFECTS !!!! What bullsh*t. If that was the case, 58-76 % of the Western world would be on medication constantly to keep them alive - their maths clearly don't add up. I'm an apostate for disagreeing (even quoting scriptures) with " our mother" "gods wife" (surely blashpemous) when the Bible says no one should be appointed to teach us (mark something) !!!!!
The WTS is expert at mind control. Like the song "hotel California" - with the lyrics 'you may never leave' (Foreigner if I remember right)
Still, they do alright out of it - breaking up families, ruining people financially, dominating peoples lives and forcing them into selling magazines and serving a corporation for free, sounds like the corporate dream.............
"Beware of Wolves in sheeps clothing " Jesus Christ
