Posts by Earnest

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The Cross & Crown on Watch Tower

by BoogerMan in

can anyone state what year russell & co. first introduced the cross & crown on the cover of the watch tower?.

Earnest

Anna Marina : Earnest, if it was 1891 then that was the same year C T Russell wrote a letter that contained a reference to Baron Rothschild.

I presume you are referring to the letter Russell sent to Baron Maurice de Hirsch which was published in the December 1891 Watchtower in an article A New Government for Palestine Proposed. A copy of the letter was sent to Baron Rothschild as one of the "leading Hebrews of the World" and a leading proponent of the Zionist movement, promoting industrialization and economic development in Palestine.

Russell wrote the letter in August, 1891, while he was in Palestine "considering the prospects of the soon fulfillment of the predictions of the prophets" :

As you will see from my books, we find the testimony of the prophets to be, that your nation will be greatly blessed and returned to divine favor between now and the year 1915, A. D. ... We believe that the Lord's Word teaches that the people are to be in great part gathered into the land of Palestine.

Russell's suggestion was that wealthy Hebrews purchase from Turkey, at a fair valuation, all of her property interests in Syria and Palestine; i.e. all the Government lands (lands not held by private owners), under the provision that Syria and Palestine shall be constituted a free state.

Of course Rothschild would be included among the "wealthy Hebrews". Your implication this had anything to do with the Cross & Crown on the Watchtower cover is ludicrous. In fact, both Hirsch (who founded the Jewish Colonization Association on September 11, 1891) and Rothschild were largely involved in establishing Jewish communities in Ottoman Turkey, although not quite to the extent that Russell had proposed.

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The Cross & Crown on Watch Tower

by BoogerMan in

can anyone state what year russell & co. first introduced the cross & crown on the cover of the watch tower?.

Earnest

The Proclaimers book says (p.200) that the Cross & Crown symbol was on the front cover of The Watchtower from 1891 to 1931.

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Federal court in Montana asked to impose sanctions on Watch Tower and its top lawyers Brumley and Taylor

by Corney in

in two child abuse cases litigated in a us district court in montana, plaintiffs recently filed identical motions for sanctions against watch tower pa, philip brumley (general counsel for whq/wt) and joel taylor (associate general counsel for wt), accusing them of lying to court and vexatiously delaying the case:.

here, with the hope that the court would dismiss plaintiffs’ cases against wtpa, in-house counsel brumley signed affidavits that were materially false and intentionally misleading.

doc.

Earnest

Sanctions were awarded by the Court against Brumley but not against Watch Tower or Taylor, saying (p.8) :

Were the Court to sanction Taylor now, such a sanction would be supported by nothing more than speculation.

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Watchtower lawyer fined for misleading the court

by Diogenesister in

watchtower lawyer david brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the montana case.

the result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that wtpa did have a pivotal role in congregational business, which brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it.

he will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.. see mark o donnell's twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=emdh163jnfi8kb6zch-uga&s=19.

Earnest

Brumley truthfully denies that WTPA currently has a pivotal role in congregational business in Montana, but he does not address whether WTPA had a pivotal role at the time the Plaintiffs sexual abuse took place in the 1970's and 1980's.

So, in his affidavit he states :

10. WTPA has no contact with congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses located in Montana.
11. WTPA does not establish or disseminate policy or procedure to congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses in Montana.
12. WTPA does not appoint or remove elders, ministerial servants or publishers in congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses in Montana.

The Court found (pp.13, 14) that Brumley chose to describe WTPA's contact and role in congregational affairs in Montana solely in present tense.

This demonstrates to the Court a conscious decision to provide only a limited depiction of WTPA's corporate activities and a reckless disregard of documents and other evidence describing a different WTPA in the 1970s and 1980s ...
Therefore the Court finds Brumley's conduct sanctionable ... and orders Brumley to personally satisfy the excess costs, expenses, and attorney's fees incurred by Plaintiffs [due to the delay of 17 months] ... [The Court] declines to consider contempt sanctions against Brumley.

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Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?

by raymond frantz in

why has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?

considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!

book " man's search for god.what do you think?

Earnest

There is a Bethel in Senegal which also oversees the work in The Gambia and Mali. The first Kingdom Hall in Mali was dedicated in Sikasso, Mali in December, 1994 (Awake!). Since then Mali has become more volatile and in May this year an Italian family from the Sikasso region was kidnapped. (Reuters).

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Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?

by raymond frantz in

why has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?

considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!

book " man's search for god.what do you think?

Earnest

slimboyfat : It would be difficult to tell how much of the preaching in Muslim majority countries is directed at Muslims but there must be at least some.

There are publications available in Arabic (Algeria), Arabic (Egypt), Arabic (Iraq), Arabic (Jordan), Arabic (Lebanon), Arabic (Morocco), Arabic (Sudanese), Arabic (Syria), Arabic (Tunisia), Azerbaijani (Arabic), Kazakh (Arabic), Sindhi (Arabic), and Uighur (Arabic).

There must be sufficient interest to warrant these translations.

slimboyfat : I don’t know if there is a scan of the 1998 brochure ["The Guidance of God - Our Way to Paradise"] anywhere.

You can find it on watchtowerwayback. It quotes from three translations of the Quoran and has a section (p.8) "Some of What the Quoran Says on Paradise and Adam".

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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman in

obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

Earnest

@Vanderhoven7

My point is that you are interested in discussing "faith issues". You do it all the time and invite others to join in. Of course you are not compelled to discuss it with DJW but it seems contrary to what a discussion is about. But it's not my quarrel so I shouldn't have said anything. It just left me a bit gob-smacked.

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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman in

obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

Earnest

Vanderhoven7 : @DJW I am not interested in discussing faith issues with someone who distains Christian faith.

What an extraordinary copout from one who continually attempts to attack the faith of others.

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Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?

by raymond frantz in

why has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?

considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!

book " man's search for god.what do you think?

Earnest

Raymond frantz : [Islam reacting to opposition with violence] might be true [of] Muslim countries but [isn't] true [of] Western European countries w[h]ere Muslims are usually immigrants, there could have [been] a pilot program to reach this people but I never saw any meaningful effort towards them

There is extensive preaching to immigrants in Western European countries. Some muslim families still react with violence should a family member convert, so this "program" is not highly publicised. The fact that you never saw it does not mean it doesn't exist.

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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford

by LoveUniHateExams in

i was thinking a bit about this the other day.

ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.

some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....

Earnest

Anony Mous, you write such rubbish without any substantiation.

Anony Mous : Wasn’t Russel sued over Miracle Wheat and Millenial Beans too and lost?

No.

Anony Mous : CT Russell was accused by his wife of having sex with their underage foster child, and many others admitted him being cruel towards people in his immediate vicinity.

Maria (Russell's wife) never accused Russell of having sex with anyone, but did accuse him of hugging and kissing their foster daughter, Rose Ball, who was then 25.

Russell sued both the Chicago Mission Friend and the Washington Post for libel for charging him with immorality and both papers settled out of court in his favour.