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  Another new missing part of the Bible found

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22011278/new-bible-chapter-hidden-verses-discovered-erased-scribe/.

  i wonder what the remaining members of the gb will make of this?.

  i excited to read all of this once it’s released and compare with the rest of mathew.

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  This is not a missing part of the Bible, but a translation in Old Syriac. What is new about it is that prior to identifying the underlying text in this parchment in 2016 there were only two other manuscripts known to contain parts of the Gospels in Old Syriac.

  In a less dramatic fashion, New Testament Studies, Volume 69, Issue 2, April 2023, pp.210-221 reported:

  Vat. iber. 4, a membrum disjectum [scattered fragment] of the manuscript Sin. geo. 49, contains on two of its folios the Syriac Gospel text as the lowest layer (scriptio ima) within a double palimpsest. Comparison with known Syriac versions of the extant text – Matt 11.30–12.26 – shows that the text represents the Old Syriac version, and is particularly akin to the Curetonianus (Syc). On palaeographic grounds, the original Gospel manuscript can be dated to the first half of the sixth century. The fragment is so far the only known vestige of the fourth manuscript witness to the Old Syriac version.
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  Court case Jehovah's Witnesses Norway kicked off

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://cne.news/article/2827-court-case-jehovah-s-witnesses-norway-kicked-off.

  norwegian jehovah's witnesses are in court this wednesday and thursday.

  they are fighting the government's decision to remove their registration as a religious community.. .

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  DesirousofChange : It was common practice on occasion ie a JW compromising on neutrality to simply verbally "spread the word" that so-and-so should be treated as DF'd. They did not want to DF someone for joining the military ...

  Shepherd the Flock of God, October 2022, Chapter 18, para. 3 (4), 5 says

  Actions that may indicate disassociation include ... taking a course that violates Christian neutrality. (Isa. 2:4; John 15:17-19; "How to Remain in God's Love" pp. 60-63, 244). If he joins a nonneutral organization, he has disassociated himself. If his employment makes him a clear accomplice in nonneutral activities, he should generally be allowed six months to make an adjustment. If he does not, he has disassociated himself.—See "How to Remain in God's Love" pp. 204-206.

  The coordinator of the body of elders should approve the announcement before an elder reads it to the congregation [at the next midweek meeting]. It should read as follows: “[Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses".
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  Jehovah's Witnesses lose registration as a religious community in Norway

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  2. beliefs

  https://www.statsforvalteren.no/nb/oslo-og-viken/folk-og-samfunn/tros--og-livssynssamfunn/jehovas-vitner-taper-registrering-som-trossamfunn/.

  published december 22, 2022. the state manager in oslo and viken has decided to withdraw jehovah's witnesses registration as a religious community under the religious society act.. .

  we sent a notice to jehovah's witnesses about possible loss of registration on october 25 this year.

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  enoughisenough : I thought they did deregister, but this is an appeal.

  They were deregistered and allowed to appeal. They asked the County Governor to consider deferred implementation "before the appeal deadline has expired or the appeal has been decided" as allowed in Section 42 of the Public Administration Act.

  The County Governor decided there was no basis for granting deferred implementation.

  The "temporary injunction" means that the Oslo District Court has overruled the County Governor and allowed the deregistration to be deferred until the appeal case is heard.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses lose registration as a religious community in Norway

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.statsforvalteren.no/nb/oslo-og-viken/folk-og-samfunn/tros--og-livssynssamfunn/jehovas-vitner-taper-registrering-som-trossamfunn/.

  published december 22, 2022. the state manager in oslo and viken has decided to withdraw jehovah's witnesses registration as a religious community under the religious society act.. .

  we sent a notice to jehovah's witnesses about possible loss of registration on october 25 this year.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses intend to take legal action on the validity of decisions denying state subsidies of 27.01.2022. In letter dated 02.12.2022, and in letter dated 15.02.2022, Jehovah's Witnesses request deferred implementation until the case has been processed by the public administration or there is a final verdict.

  JW News reports that "on December 30, 2022, the Oslo District Court granted a temporary injunction to stop the government from taking away our registration as a religious community."
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  Will JWs throw you under the bus if you have a transfusion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. beliefs

  mark writes.

  "if a person accepts a blood transfusion, the jehovah’s witness elders are required to “investigate” to see if the person is sorry for “cowardly” saving their life.

  if the person doesnt beg and grovel to the elders for allowing the doctor to save their life (or that of their child) then the elders can take this as a sign that he/she has disassociated from the congregation - and tell the congregation to start shunning them.. if someone willingly takes blood, perhaps because of being under extreme pressure, the committee should obtain the facts and determine the individual’s attitude.

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  Fisherman : No. Not even 50 years ago. At most, private reproof.

  The October 2022 Shepherd the Flock of God manual, Chapter 18 para. 3 (3) says:

  If someone willingly accepts a blood transfusion, perhaps because of being under extreme pressure, a committee (not judicial) should obtain the facts and determine the individual's attitude. If he is repentant ... [otherwise] they should announce his disassociation.

  As in all matters of "wrongdoing", repentence or the lack of it is key. This is a far cry from being thrown under a bus, but disassociation will follow if there is no repentance.
  
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  Report a corruption in a Kingdom Hall

  by VictorGoh in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  how can i report a corruption in a kingdom hall?

  can i escalate this to the jw headquarter?

  any suggestions are appreciated..

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  GLTirebiter : ...[baptized publishers] are all mandatory reporters in virtually every US state.
  

  Approximately 28 states include clergy as mandatory reporters : Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

  Mandatory reporters usually refers to people acting in a professional role to do with children. This could refer to elders but would not refer to others in the congregation who have no appointed role.
  

  18 states (and Puerto Rico) require any person who suspects child abuse or neglect to report it : Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming. These are not "mandatory reporters" which particularly refer to professionals, but would include every adult whether in the congregation or not.
  
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  UKRAINE: are things SO bad......

  by BoogerMan in

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  ....that fighting-fit young ukrainian men are having to be evacuated - to accommodation in dublin city centre?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqq2aj0lohu.

  beats the rubber dinghies, i suppose..

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  Edited to refer to slim's link.
  
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  UKRAINE: are things SO bad......

  by BoogerMan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....that fighting-fit young ukrainian men are having to be evacuated - to accommodation in dublin city centre?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqq2aj0lohu.

  beats the rubber dinghies, i suppose..

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  St George of England : ONS reported we have over 500,000 illegal immigrants here this year in the UK.

  ONS reports that the 2021 census showed there were 545,000 "usual residents" in England & Wales who had an address outside the UK one year before the census. A "usual resident" is one who is not a temporary resident, like a student or visitor on a limited visa. As kramer points out, this is the total number of immigrants and is no indication of illegal immigration.
  
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  UKRAINE: are things SO bad......

  by BoogerMan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....that fighting-fit young ukrainian men are having to be evacuated - to accommodation in dublin city centre?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqq2aj0lohu.

  beats the rubber dinghies, i suppose..

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  LUHE, asylum seekers must apply for protection in the country of destination—meaning they must arrive at or cross a border in order to apply. It is only when their application (and any appeals) are rejected that they become an illegal immigrant if they then remain in the country.

  It would be possible for an illegal immigrant to seek asylum, but they would have to prove to the authorities that they meet the criteria to be covered by refugee protections. This could happen, for example, if the government in the country of origin changed while the immigrant was legally here and he would now face persecution if he returned.
  
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  UKRAINE: are things SO bad......

  by BoogerMan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....that fighting-fit young ukrainian men are having to be evacuated - to accommodation in dublin city centre?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqq2aj0lohu.

  beats the rubber dinghies, i suppose..

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  Accoding to Asylum in Europe
  

  In 2021 France provided asylum to 33,875 (out of 120,685 applications considered). No applications outstanding.
  

  In 2021 UK provided asylum to 12,835 (out of 56,495 applications considered). 100,564 applications outstanding.

  The Government statistics website showed the UK offered protection, in the form of asylum, humanitarian protection, alternative forms of leave and resettlement, to 13,210 people (including dependants) in the year ending September 2021.

  Note to LUHE : An asylum seeker is not, by definition, an illegal immigrant.