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Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)
by carla innot sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.
i did a quick search and did not see it.
https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.
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FDS 1919 Declaration Date
by NotFormer indid rutherford have any "prophetic" justification for 1919 as the date that jesus declared him (ahem, the wt organisation) the fds?
such as some calculation attached to 1914?
that in 1919, jesus would come looking for his true organisation?.
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Malachi 3:1-3 mentions an inspection of the spiritual temple, followed by a time of cleansing. But the justification for the year 1919 can be found in Revelation 11 and the prophecy about the "two witnesses".
It describes a short period of 42 months when the "two witnesses preached in sackcloth" (from Autumn 1914 to Spring 1918). They were then symbolically killed (by imprisonment) but were brought back to life in the early part of 1919. This is discussed in a Question from Readers in WT November, 2014.
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How Do Jehovah's Witnesses View Education?
by southyukon ini have a question about this article.. https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-education-school/.
higher education can lead to moral and spiritual dangers.
a bible proverb says: "the shrewd one sees the danger and conceals himself.
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TTWSYF : Isn’t it bizarre that an organization that boastfully prides itself on “true” scriptural interpretation would look suspiciously at theological studies?
Not at all. Theological studies often includes source criticism, form criticism, redaction criticism, tradition criticism and/or canonical criticism, all of which discount inspiration of the scriptures. They say there are no atheists in foxholes. It is truer to say there are no believers in theological colleges.
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How Do Jehovah's Witnesses View Education?
by southyukon ini have a question about this article.. https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-education-school/.
higher education can lead to moral and spiritual dangers.
a bible proverb says: "the shrewd one sees the danger and conceals himself.
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There should be no problem studying electronics or electrical engineering. Subjects which might disturb a young Christian student would include classes in philosophy and theology as well as sciences related to evolution like biology, geology, genetics etc.
A friend of mine who was contacted while studying electrical engineering at university was encouraged by the circuit overseer to complete his degree before making any decisions about pioneering.
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One paragraph for Pyramidology , Governmental Authorities and Charles Taze Russell
by Longlivetherenegades inkudos to @terry on this one.
watchtower july 15, 1952 page 426......... however, coming from apostate religious systems these brought with them many beliefs and practices which were, in fact, just so much wood material, hay and stubble.
among such were the beliefs that it was necessary to develop a beautiful character to get to heaven and that that was a christian’s chief duty; the notion that christians must appear sanctimonious and pious, evincing more concern over what men thought than over what god thought; false teachings such as that the political powers of this wicked world were the “higher powers” of romans 13:1 who must be obeyed even though they contradicted god’s expressed commandments; that a pile of stone in egypt constituted a witness to jehovah (isa.
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It seems a bit strange that as late as 1952 (post-Rutherford) there was still a distinction being emphasized between Russell's time and beyond. The article (Watchtower July 15, 1952 page 426) continues to identify two classes among the Lord's people.
- Among the Lord’s people at that time were two classes. One of these was building with the durable materials by humbly, sincerely and unselfishly serving God to the best of their ability and understanding. These had, however, some of the wood, hay and stubble with them. And then there was the other class, who were self-centered, proud and insincere. These were serving God solely for what they got or hoped to get.— 2 Thess. 2 :10-12.
- As with the illustration of the wheat and the weeds, these two classes were permitted to continue alongside each other until the harvesttime, or time for judgment, which was foretold as the time of the Lord’s coming to his temple. “Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to his temple.. . . But who can abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap: and he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi, and refine them as gold and silver; and they shall offer unto Jehovah offerings in righteousness.” (Matt. 13:36-43; Mal. 3:1-3, AS) Similar prophecies are to be found at Zechariah 3:1,2; 13:9.
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Lawyers release survey on alleged Jehovah's Witness child abuse
by Tahoe ina team of lawyers has released the results of its survey on alleged child abuse by members of the jehovah's witnesses religious group in japan.. the team held a news conference in tokyo on monday.
it provides legal support to former members of the group as well as to children of its members.. the lawyers conducted the survey, following the publishing of the health and welfare ministry guidelines last year about child abuse related to parents' religious beliefs.
a total of 560 people responded.. the survey shows 81 percent of the respondents said they had cards indicating they desired to refuse blood transfusions.. the ministry's guidelines state that parents' refusal of medical treatments for children on religious grounds amounts to neglect --- a form of abuse.. the lawyers said investigations are necessary to find how many people died from refusing blood transfusions, and how many of them were children.. the survey also shows 92 percent of the respondents experienced whipping, 96 percent were banned from school activities, and 93 percent were forced to limit their human relations.. the lawyers said many of the children experienced physical and mental abuse, which afterward led to problems such as loneliness, sense of alienation and a lack of self-esteem.
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Lawyers release survey on alleged Jehovah's Witness child abuse
by Tahoe ina team of lawyers has released the results of its survey on alleged child abuse by members of the jehovah's witnesses religious group in japan.. the team held a news conference in tokyo on monday.
it provides legal support to former members of the group as well as to children of its members.. the lawyers conducted the survey, following the publishing of the health and welfare ministry guidelines last year about child abuse related to parents' religious beliefs.
a total of 560 people responded.. the survey shows 81 percent of the respondents said they had cards indicating they desired to refuse blood transfusions.. the ministry's guidelines state that parents' refusal of medical treatments for children on religious grounds amounts to neglect --- a form of abuse.. the lawyers said investigations are necessary to find how many people died from refusing blood transfusions, and how many of them were children.. the survey also shows 92 percent of the respondents experienced whipping, 96 percent were banned from school activities, and 93 percent were forced to limit their human relations.. the lawyers said many of the children experienced physical and mental abuse, which afterward led to problems such as loneliness, sense of alienation and a lack of self-esteem.
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NotFormer : This "team of lawyers", who commissioned them, what are they called?
Tanaka & Partners, LPC have a corporation website here.
IN a report today the Mainichi daily newspaper gave an account by a former JW that a "senior member who had assumed the position of 'patrolling inspector' overseeing a regional follower group apparently told the followers repeatedly to 'remove children's underwear when whipping them.'"
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Will the GB Eventually "observe" Tithing?
by Sea Breeze infound this on fb from the recent losch talk.
time for a new business model?.
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KalebOutWest : The ancient Jews sure did check on who paid their tithes and who did not throughout ancient history, and they kept this system going until modern times. It is in the Talmud.
The Talmud contains the oral traditions of the Pharisees from the Second Temple period. After the destruction of the temple in 70 it was only rabbinical Judaism that remained to reconstruct the religious system. If we rely on the Bible rather than rabbinical Judaism then there is no indication that the tithe was monitored.
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Governing body
by moley inare the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .
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Sea Breeze : Fred Franz claimed under oath that Jehovah was the editor of the Watchtower magazine.
The court case itself was in 1940 and was Olin Moyle against Fred Franz and others and the WTBTS. Just so that you know who is who, Hayden Covington was attorney for the defendants and Walter Bruchhausen was attorney for the plaintiff. The relevant part of the case was the direct examination of Fred Franz by Covington (columns 794 - 795) and cross-examination by Bruchhausen (columns 865 - 867).
In the direct examination Fred Franz had just started to explain the purpose of the Watchtower magazine. The examination continued -
Q. Is the "Watch Tower" magazine a one man magazine?
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A. It is not.Q. Who was the editor of the magazine in the days from 1900 to 1916?
A. Pastor Russell was the Editor, the sole Editor of the "Watch Tower" down to his death in 1916.Q. Who became the editor of the magazine upon the death of Pastor Russell?
A. Pastor Russell left a will designating five gentlemen to serve on an editorial committee, three of which must agree as to an article.The Court: He asked you who they were.
Q. Do you remember who they were?
The Court: Do you? If you don't remember, tell us.
Q. The names, and if you don't remember the names-You say there were five?
A. Judge Rutherford was one of them. Mr. Van Amburgh was another, and Fred Robison was another.Q. Was there any provision in the Charter of the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society for such editorial committee?
A. No, that was the Will of Pastor Russell.Q. Who subsequently became the Editor of the magazine, the main editor of the "Watch Tower" magazine?
A. In 1931, October 15th, as I recall, the "Watch Tower" discontinued publishing the names of any editorial committee on the second page.The Court: He asked you who became the editor.
The Witness: And it said-
The Court: Who became the editor?Q. Who became the editor when this was discontinued?
A. Jehovah God.Q. And who wrote the magazine under the direction of Almighty God?
A. Various individuals contributed to the magazine, Judge Rutherford, and others.Q. Who passed on what went into it?
A. Judge Rutherford, primarily, and he also called in associates-The Court: Who had the final say?
The Witness: Judge Rutherford supervised everything that went into the magazine, sir.Q. I understand that you say that in 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued naming the editorial committee, and then Jehovah God became the editor, is that correct?
Each one must conclude for themselves just what Fred Franz was claiming for the Watch Tower magazine. To me it seems quite clear that he qualified his meaning of the expression "editor" to mean that God was guiding the course of the paper and no more than that.
A. Jehovah's editorship was indicated thereby citing Isaiah 54:13.The Court: He asked you if in 1931 Jehovah God became editor, according to your theory.
The Witness: No, I wouldn't say so.Q. Didn't you say that Jehovah God became the editor of this paper at some time?
A. He was always the One guiding the course of the paper.Q. Didn't you state that on October 15, 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued the naming of an editorial committee and then Jehovah God became the editor?
A. I didn't say Jehovah God became the editor. It was appreciated that Jehovah God really is the One who is editing the paper, and therefore the naming of an editorial committee was out of place.Q. At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper, is that right?
A. He is today the editor of the paper.Q. How long has He been editor of the paper?
A. Since its inception he has been guiding it.Q. Even before 1931?
A. Yes, sir.Q. Why did you have an editorial committee up to 1931?
A. Pastor Russell in his will specified that there should be such an editorial committee, and it was continued down till then.Q. Did you find that the editorial committee was in conflict with having a journal edited by Jehovah God, is that it?
A. No.Q. Was the policy in opposition to what your conception of an editing by Jehovah God was?
A. It was found on occasions that some of these on the editorial committee were preventing the publication of timely and vital, up-to-date truths and thereby hindering the going of those truths to the people of the Lord in His due time.By the Court:
Q. After that, 1931, who on earth, if anybody, had charge of what went in or did not go in the magazine?
A. Judge Rutherford.Q. So he in effect was the earthly editor-in-chief, as he might be called?
A. He would be the visible one to take care of that.By Mr. Bruchhausen:
Q. He was working as God's representative or agent in running this magazine, is that right?
A. He was serving in that capacity.Q. Didn't he have his name on it as editor?
A. No, sir.There is an earlier thread on this here.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"
- William Shakespeare