christians and war and the role of conscience ______________ christian integrity vs duty to superior authority from the federal government’s povthe u.s. government saw jw’s as one group within a larger group of men refusing military service within existing law - for reasons of deeply held convictions.
we jw brothers weren’t the only ones affected, as evidenced by this list.. quakers.
jehovah’s witnesses.
Sea Breeze : I think any man who "categorically" refuses to protect his family (and his neighbors) from harm is a coward.
The man who you gave as an example of courage was neither defending his family or his neighbours. He was fighting against those his government had declared were the enemy. You are confusing cowardice with conscience, and murder with courage.
christians and war and the role of conscience ______________ christian integrity vs duty to superior authority from the federal government’s povthe u.s. government saw jw’s as one group within a larger group of men refusing military service within existing law - for reasons of deeply held convictions.
we jw brothers weren’t the only ones affected, as evidenced by this list.. quakers.
jehovah’s witnesses.
Sea Breeze : Fortunately, not everyone is a coward.
What an ignorant comment. Are you suggesting that all those who refuse to kill others or to engage in war are cowards? Or that it requires more courage to kill others than to refuse to do so?
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
slimboyfat : On a tangent, I’m interested in the claims floating around that pope Benedict’s resignation in 2013 was invalid because of the wording he used and therefore Francis was an anti-pope.
That is interesting, slim, but I think it is just a fringe movement in conservative Catholicism and without widespread support. I am by no means an authority on this, but I understand there are a number of conservative Catholics who don't accept the Second Vatican Council and believe that all subsequent popes, including Pope John XXIII, are heretical. If I am to draw an analogy with JWs, I would say this is akin to not accepting that the GB is in itself the "faithful and discreet slave", rather than the entire remnant as was understood prior to 2012.
from this week's life & ministry:.
in proverbs 11:9, the new world translation reads:.
"by his mouth the apostate brings his neighbor to ruin, but by knowledge the righteous are rescued.".
raymond frantz : The Watchtower, however, chooses to substitute "apostate," a word that does not appear in the original Hebrew, inserting it into the Old Testament text where it simply does not belong.
Strong's Lexicon says :
The Hebrew verb "chaneph" primarily conveys the idea of moral and spiritual corruption or pollution. It is used to describe actions or attitudes that deviate from the holiness and righteousness expected by God. The term often implies a turning away from the covenantal relationship with God, leading to a state of defilement or apostasy.
i was completely out by 1991 and 1989 would have been the last time i had to attend regularly.
that over the top franz writing style was still there in the 1980's although i've heard he wasn't actually doing much writing by then.
but his style was definitely picked up and imitated for many years beyond its wacky, outlandish peak of the the 50's - 70's.
While I keep in mind that this thread is about the writing style of Fred Franz rather than the legitimacy or otherwise of the Catholic Church, I would just note the similarity between the stance of the Watchtower that when something is right then it is due to study of the Bible and direction of the holy spirit and when it is wrong it is because they are not inspired and can make mistakes, and that of the Catholic Church which declares it is right because it can trace its authority back to Peter but when it gets it wrong then it is just human failure and nothing to do with the church. Both are a cop-out.
i was completely out by 1991 and 1989 would have been the last time i had to attend regularly.
that over the top franz writing style was still there in the 1980's although i've heard he wasn't actually doing much writing by then.
but his style was definitely picked up and imitated for many years beyond its wacky, outlandish peak of the the 50's - 70's.
https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/governing-body.php .
here is an example how the wts has "adjusted" scripture.
the governing body has gone as far as to change the text of micah 6:8 in their 2013 new world translation of the holy scriptures (nwt) in order to be able to demand loyalty.
joey jojo : I would like to see the reasoning behind how they arrived at obedience instead of mercy.
It is never translated as "obedience", although the translation of "loyal love" or similar may be used to imply obedience is required. You may remember in the 1984 NWT the word was usually translated as "loving-kindness" with the footnote showing "loyal love". As discussed previously, there is no English word which conveys both thoughts in the same word.
It may be expressed as ‘goodness’ or ‘kindness’ or ‘mercy’, but it also conveys a sense of loyalty and mutual obligation within the context of relationships. In fact it is only used where there is a relationship between the parties concerned. But it is between individuals, or between God and man, not an organization.
https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/governing-body.php .
here is an example how the wts has "adjusted" scripture.
the governing body has gone as far as to change the text of micah 6:8 in their 2013 new world translation of the holy scriptures (nwt) in order to be able to demand loyalty.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
Jeffro : it remains unverified and implausible given the absence of any Bergers in Ratzinger's family tree
That is not how maiden names work. As I said above, at present we know nothing about Stefanie Blabst’s maternal line (from Katharina Berger). Her mother's maiden name would not have been Berger, so the absence of Bergers in Ratzinger's family tree is irrelevant to the discussion.
on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
aqwsed12345 : Stefanie Blabst’s maternal line (from Katharina Berger) remains unconnected to any branch of the Pope’s known family tree.
At present we know nothing about Stefanie Blabst’s maternal line (from Katharina Berger), so until we do there is no reason not to accept her word on the connection.
I do agree that the Ratzingers did not live as near to the Bergers as she suggests. But I am more inclined to think that her memory of distances in her childhood is failing with age than that she is concocting the whole story.
While I found the evidence that Betty (Elizabeth Maria) Tauber was born in Moravia to be quite convincing, with the Tauber family being there for several generations, I now agree she was born in Natz-Schabs, South Tyrol, possibly in Raas where her daughter was born. The source I relied on for this information seems a bit dubious in light of your post.
