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  Looking for quotes

  by no-zombie in

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  i've tried but failed to find these quotes.

  if anyone knows where they are, that would be great.. #1 reading the wt and awake magazines for a few years, is like getting a uni degree.. #2 don't bother learning old greek or hebrew because its a waste of time, besides we've got it covered.. thanks.

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  Nov 1, 2009 Public Watchtower (pages 20-23) Do You Need to Learn Hebrew and Greek?
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  Looking for quotes

  by no-zombie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've tried but failed to find these quotes.

  if anyone knows where they are, that would be great.. #1 reading the wt and awake magazines for a few years, is like getting a uni degree.. #2 don't bother learning old greek or hebrew because its a waste of time, besides we've got it covered.. thanks.

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  Sep 15, 1914 issue of The Watchtower (pages 286-7)
  
  
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  JW Elder Sentenced for CSA

  by EasyPrompt in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.westernmassnews.com/2023/09/01/jehovah-witness-elder-sentenced-jail-child-sexual-abuse-case/?outputtype=amp.

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  FedUpJW : If THAT is reasonable, then it would follow that NO SINGLE MAN would ever be appointed.

  You must argue with Paul, not with me. It is Paul who wrote that an overseer "should be ... a husband of one wife". However, it is unlikely that Paul meant that marriage was a requirement for an overseer as Paul himself was single, and he encouraged singleness.

  More likely Paul was emphasising the sanctity of marriage ("Let no man divide what God has put together”).
  
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  JW Elder Sentenced for CSA

  by EasyPrompt in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.westernmassnews.com/2023/09/01/jehovah-witness-elder-sentenced-jail-child-sexual-abuse-case/?outputtype=amp.

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  FedUpJW : He was therefore the husband of TWO WIVES, although not at the same time.

  That is not an unreasonable understanding of Paul's words that an overseer should be "a husband of one wife" (1 Tim.3:2; Titus 1:6). It hardly refers to polygamy as that is forbidden to all. Further, polygamy was not practiced by the Romans or Greeks at that time.

  What else could it mean? While divorce and remarriage was allowed when adultery was involved, this was not ideal as Jesus said "Let no man divide what God has put together.”
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  "Outside the realms" of the words meaning?

  by Blotty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was recently doing some research and came across this curious quite from dr beduhn - i can't say how valid it is or if he actually said it (source linked).

  but this got me thinking i don't think there is anything in any bible where it is a "deliberate" distortion or the words go against the "possible range of meanings the greek" could have.

  i know beduhn is not considered an authority however he does have a point - if its in the range of meanings it is by no means a mistranslation & cannot be pointed out as such.

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  Thayers Greek Lexicon on phobos :

  2. reverence, respect (for authority, rank, dignity): Romans 13:7; 1 Peter 2:18; 1 Peter 3:16 (15); ἡ ἐν φόβῳ ἀναστροφή, behavior coupled with (cf. ἐν, I. 5 e.) reverence for one's husband, 1 Peter 3:2; φόβος with a genitive of the object: τοῦ κυρίου, Acts 9:31; 2 Corinthians 5:11; Χριστοῦ, Ephesians 5:21 (not Rec.); Θεοῦ, Romans 3:18; 2 Corinthians 7:1; (Ephesians 5:21 Rec.); Θεοῦ is omitted as suggested by the context, 1 Peter 1:17; (often in the O. T. יְהוָה יִרְאַת and אֱלֹהִים יִרְאַת). (Synonyms: see δειλία, δέος, at the end; cf. φοβέω.)
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  "My book of bible stories" is child abuse!!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. bible

  i once gave this book to a woman with kids at the door...to my shock my next visit she gave it back saying it was discusting and full of violence and sex!

  this book was clearly written by some bethel loser with no kids.

  i don't understand why witnesses don't have a separate kids school..

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  The Bible is full of stories about violence and sex. Obviously your HH hadn't read her Bible.
  
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  onacruise - Craig Mills 1952-2011

  by Lady Lee in

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  i was given the link to a bit of information regarding on old poster/moderator of this forum.

  i was not sure of the validity of the information so have been trying to find out if it is true.. earlier today craig's estranged wife, kate, (bikerchic) confirmed that craig died at his home on aug 10, 2011.. i am sure that many people here remember craig's time here and how he went out of his way to offer support to posters, even calling them, to give whatever help he could as they adjusted to their post-jw lives.. i know many people here will grieve his loss.. --------------.

  ps i tried posting this earlier but the computer i was working with would not allow the posts.

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  Where can old publications be downloaded?

  by MattFriend in

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  2. beliefs

  hi folks:.

  sorry if this is not the correct sub-forum to ask this.

  i would like to download some of the old jw books (to compare doctrinal changes over time, etc.).

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  Watchtower Online Library - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/h/r1/lp-e
  
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  Tried unwitnessing at LDS carts today

  by joe134cd in

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  2. experiences

  i was walking through a market today, and spotted lds cart witnessing.

  so i thought, what the hell, i’ll give him a go.

  i focused on the character of joe smith.

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  Fisherman : With polygamy accepted in their religion the men can’t get into too much sexual problems which is the main reason JW are df.

  The practice of polygamy is strictly prohibited in the Church, as it has been for over 120 years. In a statement on polygamy they say that "if any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose".
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  KGB infiltrated the Borg

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  2. experiences

  we from the old year books that some kgb undercover agents became elders in high up positions.. i wonder if this is going on today?

  not just in russia but other congregations around the world?.

  when you think how long it takes to become an elder and all the talks and maybe judicial committees they were involved with.. anyway i’m just throwing it out there if someone wanted to pay me i am a current elder who is pima about intelligence or chance involved with the origin of the universe.. .

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  In the 1950s, the Ukrainian secret police launched several secret operations that targeted Jehovah’s Witness leadership and aimed to disclose Witness clandestine groups and their system of communication. The agent network was believed to be the main weapon in the fight against the religious dissent. There were about 200 agents and informers working in the Witness underground in the mid-1950s in western Ukraine. Most of them were recruited from within the Witness organization, many had tragic experiences with their close families imprisoned or exiled. Some of them had been and would be (after their service with the security police) arrested and tried. All of them were recruited by straightforward blackmail. However, as some historical accounts reveal, Witnesses were aware of agent infiltration and KGB surveillance and knew names of many agents and informers. They were also aware of some secret operations carried out against them. While being shadowed by the secret police, they shadowed KGB officers too. Counter-infiltration was another pattern of their everyday resistance. Some believers intentionally entered the informers’ network or were chosen to become collaborators by their own congregations. Appointed agents delivered partial or less sensitive information in exchange for getting to know KGB plans and operations. Other believers wrote fake denunciations to mislead the secret police.

  The full account can be read here.

  The 2002 Yearbook p. 192-193 also discusses this :

  During the mid-1950’s, the security services discontinued immediate arrests of all active and responsible brothers and began to spy on them. These brothers were regularly called to the offices of the security services. They were told that they would receive money and enjoy a good career if they cooperated. Refusal to cooperate would lead to imprisonment and humiliation. A few, lacking faith in God, compromised on account of fear or greed. They remained in the ranks of the organization, informing the security services about the activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Also, they obediently carried out instructions from the authorities, causing innocent brothers to appear as traitors in the eyes of other faithful brothers. All of this promoted a spirit of distrust among many of the brothers.