In an earlier article - http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/31/29/31_29_sp_soapbox.html?comm=1 -
Semonian said the Witnesses “certainly have no objections to the derby itself,” but that the sect is “concerned about our liability … that could occur in connection with our building.”
Apparently, they are afraid they'll get sued if someone gets hurt on their property during the race. $$$$$
we have wonderful resources in sites like jw facts and freeminds.
a site dedicated to the compilation of society's misquotes/deceptions would just be perfect!
Try this one - it's just the Creation book I believe.
http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/critical.htm
Edit to add: Here's a discussion several years ago - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/35633/1.ashx
hi, im still relatively new around here but i figured i'd go to the people that would know the best what to do.
im trying to write a letter to my parents expressing why i left the org, and how hard it is being df'ed and having them shun me.
i just don't know how to put alot of the stuff i've learned into words.
Confession put the letter he wrote to his mother on JWD. Here it is - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/159928/1.ashx
He did a very good job. Maybe you can get some ideas from his letter.
i was wondering if anyone had ever experienced a n.d.e.
has anyone ever felt that they were visited by a family member/loved one who had passed on?.
i have read that some scientists theorize that n.d.e.
Your experience is interesting. I am reading the book 'Closer To The Light' by Melvin Morse, MD. He did a study on children in Seattle about 25 years ago.
He says his study proved that a person must be on the brink of death to have symptoms of an NDE: "My findings eliminated the theory that NDEs are the result of drugs or sleep deprivation or that they are merely bad dreams or the subconscious awareness of surgery." ... "Of the 121 patients we interviewed who had survided a serious illness but were not near death, 118 had no exerience at all. The remaining three had dreams of white-coated monsters and the like."
"Meanwhile, eight of the twelve survivors of heart attacks had visions of leaving their bodies and traveling to other realism. That is almost seventy percent, a percentage so high it eliminates the element of chance or statistical error."
The 12 in the study were children that had actually 'died' and were brought back. Not every one of them experienced something - but a high percentage did.
I wish you had experienced more - it would be an interesting story to tell. Oblivion, nothingness, total lack of any consciousness, a deep and dreamless sleep is better than a fiery hell. That's one good thing about being raised a JW - no fear of burning in hell.
Dr. Morse tells the details of the experiences his patients had. Very interesting book. It's making me think about the possibilities.
does anyone remember being a little kid and being forced to sit through those 2 hour meetings?
specifically being made to listen to graphic accounts of whatever country that was going through horrific persecution.
(or any other horrors you might remember).
Born in from 1948. My father was always busy with congregation chores so my mother was the one that did all the punishment. I received the pinch & twist for not sitting still and paying attention at meetings. If I was too restless, I was taken outside and beat. I remember one time she was beating me outside the front of the hall and a lady coming in stopped and asked if she could help. I always wondered if she wanted to help beat me or if she wanted to stop my mother. Those beatings were something that took place often as I just had a hard time being still for long at the time (still do).
As far as persecution goes, my worst fear I remember is having my finger nails pulled out with pliers. For some reason I also remember being very afraid of the KKK. I don't remember why that fear was so strong. Perhaps because we liked black people or perhaps because we were suposed to be 'spiritual Jews'. The congregations were still segregated when I was young but the conventions were integrated. I remember times after the meeting my dad would need to go to the black congregation to take some paperwork or something. He always left us out in the car when he went inside.
I remember seeing the pictures on TV of all the dead bodies piled up the Nazi's had killed. It was all relevent to us because that was what was going to happen to all of us JWs.
What a terrible way to grow up.
thank you, professor.. you are most kind.. sylvia.
A native Georgia Peach here with a light peach complexion.
Apparently I must have quite a southern accent. People from up north and out west always comment on it.
ok, i am on my 8th book this month - not too bad for this mommy.
anyway, i've gotten back to my previous life of indulging myself into books that you can't put down.
little children by tom perrotta.. excellently portrayed 2 unhappily married suburbans who's repetitive wrong choices impact a their dull lives, yet alter your own moral thinking of them being heroic in their quest to find happiness with a self imprisoned/trapped marriage they each lead.
The Last Patriot by Brad Thor. Fiction about a lost last revelation of Mohammed - a missing book of the Koran. Main characters are CIA & FBI agents. It's one of those books you just can't put down.
Thor says the book is a work of fiction based largely on fact. "Mohammed's lost revelation as depicted herein, as well al-Jazari's preservation of same, is of my own making. The plot device of Mohammed being assassinated by one of his companions is also of my own making (though there is evidence that Mohammed was assassinated). The concept of abrogation and everything else related to the Koran in this novel is true."
It was so good my daughter has ordered the rest of his books. She said his first one released in 2002 was not as good as this current one. Haven't heard a review of the next one yet.
we are filing bankruptcy in three days.
we finally got enough money together, which included our government incentive check, to pay the lawyer to do it and last night saw two withdrawals from our checking account!
perfectly legal the bank says.
http://www.occ.treas.gov/customer.htm
This link is to the fed banking regulator for BoA. Unless the regulations have changed in the last three years a bank can not offset an amount due on a credit card account.
Call the Customer Assistance Group (CAG) of the OCC and make sure that is still the case. You can file a complaint with them if the bank has taken your funds in error.
A credit card account has been the only type of loan or account that could not be off set by a bank. I forget the regulation cite but call the OCC to make sure. If BoA has incorrectly off set your checking account and caused the NSF fees they will have to refund all of them.
i'm still trying 2 figure out if this is a pro or anti jw forum but here goes..
i started studying jw 6 months ago & i do feel i'm growing.
i think at the rate things are going i'll b babtised in another 6 months.
This is a link Len Miller (FatFreek on JWD) put together. It is an excellent paper on all of the Flip Flops in the Watchtower Society teachings over the years -
http://users.oeccwildblue.com/millerlr/PivotalYear1988SodomGomorrah.pdf
Others have mentioned the child abuse scandal that has been found out in the last several years. Barbara Anderson has a Summary/Commentary that provides a lot of info. The main website is - http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/
The link directly to the Commentary is - http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/downloads/Secrets_Commentary_Version_2.pdf
Congratulations!!
Grandbabies are so much fun.
