Posts by bernadette

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Did Adam know the full consequences of his sin?

by truthseeker in

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"through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.

" romans 5:12. this verse has been used to prove that adam was responsible for sin and death.. from a christian standpoint, this is true.

did adam really know the full effects of eating the forbidden fruit?.

bernadette

Through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Romans 5:12

This verse has been used to prove that Adam was responsible for sin and death.

From a Christian standpoint, this is true.

Did Adam really know the full effects of eating the forbidden fruit?

"In the day you positively eat from it, you will die." Genesis 2:17

This is quite a faith testing question for me so I'm going to have a go

Adam knew enough to exercise faith but didn't know the full awful effects. From a human standpoint, if he'd known we can say he wouldn't have sinned. We all say that don't we with hindsight.

God didn't tell Adam in advance because Adam was learning and exercising choice as we all must

I believe that Adam took responsibility after he'd sinned and accepted that the redeemer would come from his offspring, as we all must for ourselves. But Adam believed that Cain would fulfill that role. (it seems that we humans all have this sense of immediatecy)

thanks for raising such thought provoking questions

respectfully

bernadette

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Has anyone seen this website.....

by bernadette in

i recently came across the following website and was astonished at the similarities with what the wt teaches and practices.

(would somebody pls also tell me how to use the icons).

www.muhammadanism.org is the website.. if this thread is too controversial then pls tell me so and i'll go back to talking to myself.

bernadette

It's actually a christian website trying to reach muslims, they are trying to introduce Christ to muslims and open up a dialogue.

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Has anyone seen this website.....

by bernadette in

i recently came across the following website and was astonished at the similarities with what the wt teaches and practices.

(would somebody pls also tell me how to use the icons).

www.muhammadanism.org is the website.. if this thread is too controversial then pls tell me so and i'll go back to talking to myself.

bernadette

have worked out how to use them

If anyone's interested there is also a really indepth defense of the Trinity doctrine on the above website. Its entitled "response to Al-Warraq's attack against the Trinity doctrine". Certainly helped to convinced me about the Trinity. If you haven't got time look at pages 14,15 &16 in particular

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Has anyone seen this website.....

by bernadette in

i recently came across the following website and was astonished at the similarities with what the wt teaches and practices.

(would somebody pls also tell me how to use the icons).

www.muhammadanism.org is the website.. if this thread is too controversial then pls tell me so and i'll go back to talking to myself.

bernadette

I recently came across the following website and was astonished at the similarities with what the wt teaches and practices. (would somebody pls also tell me how to use the icons)

www.muhammadanism.org is the website.

If this thread is too controversial then pls tell me so and I'll go back to talking to myself

bernadette

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Secret Santa (Gift Exchange) 2006

by Angharad in

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hope this hasnt been posted already, if it has someone tell me as i dont want to step on anyones toes !!.

well christimas will soon be here !!.

gadget did a great job of organising the forum gift exchange the last couple of years so i thought i would give him a break and volunteer to organise it this year.. for those that are new basically what it involves is that those who want to join in will post to this thread and then pm me their name and address.

bernadette

Yes please thx

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disfellowshipping and anger problems

by gay pride in

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is it just me or has anyone here become a very angry person after leaving the organization?.

i mean in the sense where...you're more vulnerable to snap in a big way...like you've just developed so much anger inside you?.

for example since being df'd i think its created so much anger that i really just dont care.

bernadette

Gay pride I want add a little more to my last post because I myself have been for counselling. It is very beneficial over time

My daughter and myself were both pioneering. She poor thing became exhausted and now has chronic fatigue. She went for counselling first. I continued pioneering in my shortsighted wisdom (had a lot of encouragement to stay on though) and started experiencing major panic attacks. It seems that anger is either directed inwards or outwards with disasterous consequences either way. Counselling helped me deal with the root issues. The panic attacks have finally gone. One thing really surprised me - my counsellor had had lots of exp dealing with JW's before she'd seen us and she was just an ordinary counsellor attached to our local doctor's surgery. So the professionals do know and can help

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disfellowshipping and anger problems

by gay pride in

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friends

is it just me or has anyone here become a very angry person after leaving the organization?.

i mean in the sense where...you're more vulnerable to snap in a big way...like you've just developed so much anger inside you?.

for example since being df'd i think its created so much anger that i really just dont care.

bernadette

Becoming a JW is like being put in prison on a trumped up unjust charge and then being thrown out of prison because you're not considered good enough for prison.

Going for a jog - will do an extra hill for you

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What is your favorite Bible Translation?

by Lo-ru-hamah in

do you have a favorite translation?

king james, niv, or others that i might not of heard of that are perhaps more poetically written.

or a style/version that you particularly like?.

bernadette

I like the Message Bible. All JW's should read this verse (copied from Biblegateway)

Galatians 3

Trust in Christ, Not the Law

1 You crazy Galatians! Did someone put a hex on you? Have you taken leave of your senses? Something crazy has happened, for it's obvious that you no longer have the crucified Jesus in clear focus in your lives. His sacrifice on the cross was certainly set before you clearly enough.

2-4 Let me put this question to you: How did your new life begin? Was it by working your heads off to please God? Or was it by responding to God's Message to you? Are you going to continue this craziness? For only crazy people would think they could complete by their own efforts what was begun by God. If you weren't smart enough or strong enough to begin it, how do you suppose you could perfect it? Did you go through this whole painful learning process for nothing? It is not yet a total loss, but it certainly will be if you keep this up!

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Maybe There's a Heaven...

by LittleToe in

i don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but i feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward.

neither is this a poxy swan-song, i'm just opening up my heart a little.. today i had cause to reflect on a conversation i had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany.

everything was so new and unknown.

bernadette

Hi little toe

I`m new here. Just want to say that I am and have had a similar exp to you - getting to know Christ and loving him. But in my case I have come to this after lots and lots of study. A devout JW 8 months ago and now a follower of Jesus Christ cautiously and non confrontationally though. How amazing is that. It seems to me that the new heavens and new earth are both for everyone, not 2 classes I mean.

Bernadette

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A Message To All The Lurkers

by Anitar in

in recent weeks, i have seen several posters that some call the jw "lurkers," meaning the witnesses who read the articles of this site, and are perhaps questioning what the watchtower has been teaching them, yet are still very defensive of the watchtower's actions.

as a result, i have seen and participated in several heated debates.

it seems the main criticism of us is that we focus too much on the "negative," that we dig up the past too much, and worst of all, that we have nothing to really complain about, other than the personal vendettas some of us have against the watchtower.

bernadette

Thanks Anitar. I have to say that I am deeply ashamed over the way abused children are treated in the organiation. In our cong we have a pedophile who is on the society's most highly likely to offend register. I have made up my mind to warn parents myself as much as I can whenever I observe that he is becoming close to a family. That's not enough I know but I am ssaying this publicly to you now because I want to encourage victims and their parents to speak out to professionals who can help them. This is an area where we do not obey the organisation but seek to protect the defenceless.