...and my reply: Mom, Thank you for responding. From the content of my email,...I'm not sure why you think I'm full of bitterness and holding grudges. I don't really understand what you mean by that. I remember going to the Memorial at the Kingdom Hall for seventeen years of my life. In all sincerity,...with the Memorial coming up and reading through the scriptures,...I am truly wondering what the answer is to my question. When I was a Jehovah's Witness, I don't remember what the scriptural teaching is on this matter. Also,...through regular bible reading, I haven't personally come across a clear explanation. Forgive me if you found my original email bitter sounding,...but I reread it and I don't feel that I came off that way. I also don't have any grudges towards you, Micah, Mark, or any Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Of course,...we both know I have different views from some of the teachings of the Jehovah's Witness organization, but I am not holding personal grudges towards anyone in particular in the organization. In your response you gave me the definition of what the Memorial is and I appreciate that, but you didn't answer my question. I understand the what and why of the Memorial. You stated: We go as observers of that wonderful covenant that Jehovah instituted for the good of all who want to benefit from it. This is also something that I already understand and that is why I asked my question. In the old testament there are many traditions and scriptures that pointed to Jesus' coming and the new covenant. In the new testament the new covenant is explained and Jesus himself sets up the tradition of the Memorial. So in the new testament I would like to be shown where Jesus or Paul explained a tradition where believers are to attend the Memorial but not to partake of the emblems. I went to www.watchtower.org the official website of the Jehovah's Witnesses,...but I couldn't find an answer to this question. PS, I really don't have any bitterness,...in fact,...I would love to have a relationship with you guys again at anytime. My life will always be open for you guys to enter it. I love you guys no matter what your personal beliefs are and would love to get together and be a family again. If you guys are ever open to this all you have to do is call.
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Do I sound bitter?.....(email to mom)
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Her reply: I am sure that you have another motive for asking this question, other than you are really wondering. I will answer it, but I will not go back and forth in debate over this, so please do not respond. I don't want to debate with you. Jesus was the Passover Lamb and the memorial replaced the passover and the covenant that the Israelites celebrated on the very day. Many of the things in the past were representative of or pointed forward to the new covenant and the new Lamb. When the Israelites left Egypt many alien residents (non-Israelites) left with them. They were not a part of the Mosaic covenant, but could benefit by aligning themselves to the nation of Israel. They were also under obligation to keep all the laws including celebrating the Passover. (Ex. 12: 14-19) So like them we deeply love and appreciate of what Jesus did for all mankind. We go as observers of that wonderful covenant that Jehovah instituted for the good of all who want to benefit from it. It makes me sad that you are so bitter. Holding grudges and bitterness never is healthy. I love you and think of you often.
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On a mac, I hope this formats correctly. My 1st email and question: (Salutations) I miss you guys and hope you are all doing well. I have a question: I recently saw this years Memorial invitation and it got me wondering. I decided to read all the scriptures surrounding the last supper. 1. Matthew 26:26-29 2. Mark 14:22-26 3. Luke 22:17-20 4. I Corinthians 11:23-28 I was wondering if you could tell me where your personal invitation to the memorial is in scripture? Isn't Jesus speaking to the anointed Christians in these verses when he says "this do in remembrance of me"?,...meaning that the anointed Christians should partake of the emblems in remembrance. If Jesus is speaking solely to the anointed, then where is the "great crowd's" invitation to the memorial? Jesus only had members of the anointed with him in the upper room. Can you show me in scripture where the "great crowd" has the right to attend the memorial? Perhaps I have overlooked it,...but I didn't read anything about Jesus inviting certain believers to attend only as observers. I would appreciate a response because I am confused on this issue. Hoping to hear from you. Love, Jeremiah
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Did non-Isrealites eat of the Passover meal?
by *jeremiah* insome "aliens" or non-jews aligned themselves with the israelites,...right?
like,...moses,...he wasn't jewish,...right?
so did non-isrealites eat of the passover meal?
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Where's Moshe when I need him?
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Did non-Isrealites eat of the Passover meal?
by *jeremiah* insome "aliens" or non-jews aligned themselves with the israelites,...right?
like,...moses,...he wasn't jewish,...right?
so did non-isrealites eat of the passover meal?
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I think I just found the answer to my question: 43 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "These are the regulations for the Passover: "No foreigner is to eat of it. 44 Any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him, 45 but a temporary resident and a hired worker may not eat of it. Exodus 12 ...but does foreigner mean non-believer? Because Moses and Aaron were believer's. Did Moses and Aaron partake?
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Did non-Isrealites eat of the Passover meal?
by *jeremiah* insome "aliens" or non-jews aligned themselves with the israelites,...right?
like,...moses,...he wasn't jewish,...right?
so did non-isrealites eat of the passover meal?
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Some "aliens" or non-Jews aligned themselves with the Israelites,...right? Like,...Moses,...he wasn't Jewish,...right? So did non-Isrealites eat of the Passover meal?
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The Way (sounds familiar)
by *jeremiah* ini think the jw's and the way should talk about a merger.. .
nature of jesus christ.
the way teaches that jesus christ had no existence before birth except in the mind of god.
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Thanks Jeff,
I was talking amongst friends about my JW experience and found out that my friend grew up and escaped The Way.
In our conversation,....we found many similarities between the two cults. What i found interesting is their speech seems to be similar to JW's,....using phrases like,...."the truth", "brother" and "sister", etc.
Hmmmm....I wonder what their memorial or communion is like? I wonder if they parttake or pass the emblems.
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The Way (sounds familiar)
by *jeremiah* ini think the jw's and the way should talk about a merger.. .
nature of jesus christ.
the way teaches that jesus christ had no existence before birth except in the mind of god.
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I think the JW's and The Way should talk about a merger.
Nature of Jesus Christ
The Way teaches that Jesus Christ had no existence before birth except in the mind of God. That though Jesus was a perfect sinless man, he was only a man, not God.
Wierwille asserted that God and Jesus Christ are separate, independently-thinking entities who are literally father and son. He holds that Jesus Christ did not exist until God created a fertilized egg in Mary's womb and that he did not have any consciousness until she gave birth to him.
Regarding the Holy Spirit, Wierwille taught that there was a distinction between "The Holy Spirit" and "holy spirit". The former refers directly to God the Father while the latter refers to an emanation or power from God (a.k.a. "the gift of holy spirit")
Mark and Avoid
"Mark and Avoid" is a term for a form of shunning involving the separation of certain people from the main body of followers in the Way. The term is derived from the Biblical passage Romans 16:17 (King James Version, boldface added for emphasis)
The group has been alleged to use "love bombing" [3] to control its initiates.
I've also heard that this group preaches from door to door.
Errors in key points of Way scholarship, including: 1) Inaccurate translations of key Bible passages which include contradictory or false definitions of biblical words; 2) misrepresentation or ignorance of the early Church's views on the Trinity, Christ's deity etc.; 3) misuse of ancient Greek texts or use of unreliable research works, as well as the inaccurate theory that the whole New Testament was authored in Aramaic; 4) overstatement of their leaders' qualifications and unnoted textual changes in their books.
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Why does the great crowd go to memorial?
by *jeremiah* in"do this in remembrance of me"...... ...those words jesus utters,..according to the wt,...is specifically for "the annointed",...right?.
if jesus at the last supper is speaking directly to "the annointed class",...that they should parttake and "do this in remembrance",...then why do the r & f even go to the memorial?.
looking at it through jw eyes,...jesus didn't invite members of "great crowd" to the last supper,...right?
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Thanks MJ
At the original Last Supper, according to the WTS there were no "Great Crowd" members in existence, so there would not be any biblical precedent to follow in the first place.
Exactly,...and adding to that, according to the WTS, Jesus at the last supper was speaking to the anointed. Therefore,...even when the "great crowd" did come into existence,...there is still no biblical invitation for them to attend and observe.
I'm thinking this might be a good issue to bring up when confronted by JW's. It seems like there is no way they could come up with a solid answer.
I'm thinking about emailing my mother and brothers still in the borg and asking them a few questions regarding these issues.
i.e.- Mom, I recently saw this years Memorial invitation and it got me wondering. I decided to read all the scriptures surrounding the last supper.
I was wondering if you could tell me where your invitation to the memorial is in scripture?
Jesus is speaking to the anointed christians when he says "this do in remembrance of me",...meaning that the anointed christians should parttake of the emblems. If Jesus is speaking solely to the anointed, then where is the "great crowd's" invitation to the memorial? Jesus only had members of the anointed with him in the upper room.
Can you show me in scripture where the "great crowd" has the right to attend the memorial?