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Stezza
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I never realised this before....
by Stezza inhi people
i have not been here for a while, i used to be addicted but work got in the way, although i check back now and then.
anyway i was reading about the girl in england who died as she refused a blood transfusion.
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I never realised this before....
by Stezza inhi people
i have not been here for a while, i used to be addicted but work got in the way, although i check back now and then.
anyway i was reading about the girl in england who died as she refused a blood transfusion.
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Stezza
Hi People I have not been here for a while, I used to be addicted but work got in the way, although I check back now and then. Anyway I was reading about the girl in England who died as she refused a blood transfusion. As you all know this is not the first time and unfortunatley it will not be the last. Anyway I was reading the comments section of Times on Line...and it struck me I am more qualified to speak about this then anyone else as I nearly lost my own mother when I was 5 the same way. Now I left the truth around 1998 at about the age of 26/27 (escaped via backpacking and can highly reocommend that route out!). It has not occurred to me at all, that I and my brother nearly lost our mother. I am absolutley furious and sad at her. I rang her yesteday for her birthday (yes I am trying to get her to leave)and we talked a bit about it, but it only has hit me in the last half hour. Now do not get me wrong she is as mad as a bag of cats, but she is my bag of cats (is is just witness mums or all mums?)and no child should be denied a mother's love. I am so completely spun out at the moment, I thought I was cured of the witnesses, but I have never thought about this aspect of the whole mess it made of my family. I remember last year when I first found this website and I realised what a crock of shit it was and I was furious and I bent my hubby's ear about how corrupt and bad they were (he was raised a ctholic so he knew that already about all religions ; ) I cannot believe I missed such a huge underlying issue in my childhood. I mean I am fine and all, but imagine is this happened to a more delicate person? This religion is awful. This is going to take few days to process and I feel the need to ring my brothers and sister now! Bloody time difference! (I live in Ireland) How could i possible miss it, perhaps I was not ready to process it yet. PS: Sass My Frass, my aplogies, I was meant to meet up with you last November in Melbourne, and I really wanted to but I was in a very weird place at the time, so apologies I did not follow through with plans to meet up. Hope you are doing are doing well. Hello to all faders, ex-witnesses and anyone just looking form the eastern suburbs of Melbourne...I left you can too!!!!!! Thanks for listening people.
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UK- JW MINISTERIAL SERVANT SERIAL RAPIST
by DannyHaszard inman escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
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Stezza
Hi Folks the Sky discussion page has a section on it. Get to it people:
https://messageboards.sky.com/ThreadView1.aspx?ThreadId=3629&Category=UK%20News
This is what I wrote:
Next time the JW's are at your door ask them about the 2 witness rule. This means in thier internal disciplinary procedurees there needs to be two witnesses. Therefore if a child comes forward with a claim about a person in their congregation, there needs to be a second witness for them to be disciplined (in their lingo private reproof, public reproof or disfellowshipping). This, particularly in the case of paedophila, builds in repeat offenders. I was bought up as a witness and the amount of comment in their publications about the Catholic Church and the problems with child abuse, yet the same problem was going on in many congregations around the world. Members are not encouraged to go to authorities as it brings God's name into disrepute and victims are told to 'wait on Jehovah'. With recent changes in legislation about reporting child abuse, this will have changed marginally but victoms are still encouraged to wait on Jehovah's justice.
I left because there was a case of child abuse and it was not reported to the authorities, in this case though the man (use that term loosely) was disfellowshipped. In retrospect that would of been becasue the victim's grandfather and uncle were elders. Not so on this case as he has repented. Study of this crime shows these criminals are repeat offenders and pose a danger to society.
In this case I think the person is only sorry he got caught, not for anything else.
Anyone who holds themselves out in a position of trust such a a teacher, scout leader, clergy or lay clergy should be publicised. There may be a JW or two or an apologist for them come on and say, no one elses religion is mentioned. The JW's through their publications mention the weaknesses of other religions in their publications all the time, when their members do wrong they need to be exposed, as much as anyone else.
If anyone is wondering why the victims are not testifying, there would be unimaginable pressure to forgive and let Jehovah deal with it, these people will be shunned if they do not follow the congregation line.
Anyone who commits this crime and claims to be a man of faith (any faith) is not and cannot even even begin to know anything about love, faith, and dare I say it God.I know many of you have more information so get to it.
I cannot believe he was not disfellowshipped, repeat offenders like that are not repentent, no matter what they say.
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UK: JW harasses lesbian co-worker who may get 120,000 pounds
by blondie inshopworker in line for 120,000 after suffering homophobic bullying05.03.07 add your view.
marlene bielak: suffered months of bullying at the hands of a colleague who disapproved of her homosexual lifestyle.
a lesbian shop assistant is in line for more than 120,000 after leaving her job because of a colleague's taunts about her sexuality.
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She did win damages £124,000.00 Correct me if I am wrong, but has not this sister brought Reproach to Jehovahs name and because it is in public be at least publicly reproved. Or have the goal posts changed>
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Was this like Armageddon over Sydney yesterday?
by ozziepost inbeen off-air mopping up since last night.
the mother of all storms hit us and quite suddenly - one minute it was hot (as usual lately), the next all went dark and the most violent of thunderstorms hit us.
in a time of drought this was some reversal!
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FAO Penny My mum rang today, and held my husband hostage for an hour on the phone and she mentioned a really bad hail storm. Mum is always looking for signs of Armageddon and severe weather patterns are a rich vein of conversation and speculation. But seriously of I could send you all the rain in Ireland. I would. In a heartbeat.
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Was this like Armageddon over Sydney yesterday?
by ozziepost inbeen off-air mopping up since last night.
the mother of all storms hit us and quite suddenly - one minute it was hot (as usual lately), the next all went dark and the most violent of thunderstorms hit us.
in a time of drought this was some reversal!
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Stezza
Two things: 1 As a very amateur shutterbug, these are great photos 2 AS a homesick Aussie, these are great photos Can I ask what camera you are using, as I need to invest. My other half thinks you are near Dromoine (sp?). How close is he? My auntie is on the other side in Manly. Oh how I love to slum in Manly.
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Urgent: Moral guidance required
by sass_my_frass inlong story short: my nan, mum's mum (mum's a jw), has two living sisters, aunty a and aunty j; none of them are witnesses and don't like jws very much.
they're all in their eighties.
my nan lives in the state i grew up in but my (great) aunts live in the state i live in now and are visiting my nan.
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Stezza
Pain relief and healing rift are the most important things.
I have no idea how to find personal email address on here or anything so if you know how to get my email address or if you or anyone else can explain it to me I would be most grateful!
See you soon
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Tortured
by Xnived Shadow ini just got back from iraq..... i was a jw before i left.
i am readjusting to everything here in the real world and i gotta admit its kinda hard.
my military and jw training make for alot of sleepless nights and painful days.
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Stezza
Welcome to the board.
Firstly you need to lose friends that tell you that your life is pathetic, they are not needed.
I hate war but my heart goes out to young men such as yourself that put your self out there. I personally believe that when the government goes to war the first on the frontline should the sons of those in govenment. Maybe they would think twice. Doubt it.
What is important now is your emotional health. Make sure you are aware of PTSD symptoms so if you need counselling you can get it, and do not delay if you need to talk.
The only person that knows you is you and God, no one else can pass judgement on what you have done in your life, only you know if you have acted with honour with the knowledge you had at the time and forgive yourself.
If you know Sara's surname and her last location, maybe save towards a private dectective if you have found googling unsuccessful so far.
There may be an ex-jw meet up near you or near where you used to live, someone in the Meet Up may have some information. This could be a cheaper first option then the PI.
Please keep coming on here and reading as you will realise that this organisation has some real problems and you are not wrong to have a cognitive malfunction with what you were told and what you saw around in the congregation and on top of that the emotional blackmail that it is the truth. No matter how bad it is it is the truth.
I never had a JC and reading about them and about how you are treated as reproved or DF'd etc, I sure am glad. So I would not worry about that most would say you had a lucky escape and that they are quite psycholoically damaging, nobody needs that.
Look after yourself and look forward ot hearing from you again
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Getting my groove back
by Stezza infate (or something) has meant that my last day of work is friday and that i will be able to go home for about 3 weeks.
home is melbourne, australia, i live in ireland at the moment.. when i left the organisation in around 1998, i pretty much disappeared, i was fortunate enough to have to travel for work and move back home (no point renting if you are never there and you are not home so much your mother annoys you), so i never got the difficult questions, hauled out the back etc, anyway in their minds i was a single girl desperate to get married they probably thought i found a boyfriend, i actually would of liked to have been a missionary) .
after i travelled for work i resigned and did what many antipodeans do - travel and and live overseas.
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Fate (or something) has meant that my last day of work is Friday and that I will be able to go home for about 3 weeks. Home is Melbourne, Australia, I live in Ireland at the moment.
When I left the organisation in around 1998, I pretty much disappeared, I was fortunate enough to have to travel for work and move back home (no point renting if you are never there and you are not home so much your mother annoys you), so I never got the difficult questions, hauled out the back etc, anyway in their minds I was a single girl desperate to get married they probably thought I found a boyfriend, I actually would of liked to have been a missionary)
After I travelled for work I resigned and did what many antipodeans do - travel and and live overseas. This was great as it was a complete break and I could concentrate on myself. And guess what no peer pressure to do drugs, drinks, sex all those things we were told worldly people are doing 24/7.
I think I mentioned in another thread why I left, it was because I became aware of how child abuse was being treated by these people. I could not in good conscience be linked to this as I do not feel I could be linked to any group that did/does such a thing. A little while after that I realised my nana who had been a witness for over 50 years was being treated quite badly as due to old age she did not recover as quickly as she expected to from Ross River Fever (There is nothing sadder then a fit healthy 80 year old having poor health, she thought she was 25 until she got sick). All those years of being told we are your family, you cannot rely on your worldly family to find the spiritual family have all buggered off leaving your worldly children there who do look after you!
The lack of respect to her convinced me I was right to leave.
This did not mean that I thought I did the right thing. I certainly thought the weakness was mine as I could not wait on JHWH and quite frankly as I prayed before I left 'I like you but I hate your friends!'
So all the books got packed up and I never told anyone why I left (bringing shame on Jehovah's name), when the witnesses caught up with me in Ireland I took the magazine and gave them a cup of tea, etc I also wanted my husband to know some stuff so he could understand my background. I never informed anyone why I left etc.
It dawned on me the other day reading a thread, I have forgotten which one, that all this behaviour was becasue I was ashamed of the fact that I left, I should be proud that I left that I said to God that it was now between him and me, because that is what the bible says.
So next week when I get home. I have decided to get some closure on some things as follows:
1. Throw out all the publications, I was going to leave them at the hall, or op shop but quite frankly the bin is where they belong.
2. Go the local police station and give them the name and address of the person who did those acts. I think he is still alive as he is still in the phone book. He lives opposite a local swimming pool, which has always been my greatest concern and I thought a good witness should be thinking of the wider community. My friend has a husband that is a police officer and my understanding is that they will keep an eye on him but not do anything too obvious.
3. Look up some people and see what they are doing. I will be honest with them, but not before I find out the gossip and other addresses. I have googled and found one girl I was friends with and last I heard she was out so fingers crossed!
4. If I meet anyone still in the company I am going to be direct and say that the bible says that we all have a relationship with God individually and that I am sure of my good heart condition, but what I was not too sure about was the moral ambivalence the company has to child abuse and I cannot represent this company at the doors anymore. There is no faithful and discreet slave class in the bible and your blood policy is a nonsense, how is anyone in the fog of emergency to seperate it all out like that, feel free to kill yourself but I will not be assocaited with the deaths of children.
5. Try and convince my mother this is a load of shite. ( I could write a whole thread on her)
BRAINWAVE: If children were not to get baptised as they had to have adult reasoning, then surely a child should be able to accpet blood transfusions as they have not reasoned it in an adult way. A parents first repsonsibilty is to raise a happy healthy child to an adult to make their own decisions on their faith, not to allow the child to die as what can be seen as some sacrifice to the company. Interestingly the Irish Court has delived a similiar decision. A mother in child birth (JW) lost blood and refused a transfusion, the court ruled that she was able to be given one. On of the arguments for it was that this woman being an immigrant was this newborns only parent, and the child (under the constition and human rights) has a right to a parent. Child also has a right to life, that is why they are not going to win many of these cases. And they will start losing the adult ones as well. But I digress.
Anyway I just thought I would let you know my plans for the next few weeks and I have to say I have you guys to thank as I know that I have not fallen short of these people but they have falledn short of me.
I will keep you informed of my adventures!
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Urgent: Moral guidance required
by sass_my_frass inlong story short: my nan, mum's mum (mum's a jw), has two living sisters, aunty a and aunty j; none of them are witnesses and don't like jws very much.
they're all in their eighties.
my nan lives in the state i grew up in but my (great) aunts live in the state i live in now and are visiting my nan.
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Stezza
Have you talked toyour mum and auntie??
By the way I fly home for 3 weeks next week and I would love to meet you.
When I left, I did not speak to anyone about it, this is my first time on this board and I would love to meet up with someone esp another aussie.
We can swap mad mother health stories and we can meet in public like a dodgy internet date!