Posts by bobld

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Why Can You See Through the Watchtower While Others Cannot?

by The wanderer in

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why can you see through the watchtower while others cannot?

compared with the six million jehovahs witnesses worldwide the .

so-called apostates are comparatively much smaller.

bobld

Those who are strong in R.C.beliefs aren't going to change.Those who are strong in wts beliefs aren't going to change.Ex.in a recent Km service part,"Adjustment for the..book of revelation."Some of the comments..."Aren't we glad that the GB keeps us informed.,these minor adjustments by GB tells us that God is backing His ORG.,we aren't like other religions we admit our mistakes."With those kind of comments the old farts aren't going to change.That being said,there are very very very few converts in Western countries.Yes,there are a few of us who see thru the (smoke & mirrors) of wts but give it a few years because there are many many many who are sitting on the fence and don't belief wts propaganda.Why can I say this.. well sit in on any meeting,CA,DC the GB is consistently hammering the R&F to do more BUT ARE they getting any results NADA...The old farts are to old to do more.Any manmade religion(wts) will fail.

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Floyd Kite's "Enduring the Tests Within God's Organization" (1980)

by Leolaia in

thats a big test.

can you think of the test that that would put on gods people?

its a big test, its a big test.

bobld

Re: F.Kite's 1980 talk

He talks about reading the bible contextually with extended application to understand it properly and get the correct meaning.So why doesn't the gb/wbts read the bible correctly or do they read it at all.He said"Do you realize all the adjustments you have to make to stay in the truth." NO KIDDING the list is as long as an arm."There will be more changes that you will have to experience."THIS GUY F.KITE IS A PROPHET.Look, he said there would be more changes and this was in 1980.Sure enough 15 years later they changed the GENERATION that would see the end of this in 1995.How about the revelation book it wasn't even written until 1988 and than in 2006 there were 70..count them 70 adjustments,man this guy is GGOOOD.They make adjustment that even GOD would not think of.Forget 2 Timothy 3:16,17.

Bob

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Talk by brother Herd (long)

by moomanchu in

the stars fall from heaven?

~sigh~ and youll fall across the finish line into the new world!

we dont want that brothers.

bobld

Re: Are you ready for the finish line

How appropriate,he gives very good advice.The smart are determined,train hard to acquire strength,endurance,proper techniques to learn all about the history of false religion aka(wbts-J.W.) They take notes as they run the course because all along the way there are markers such as..false dates,separation work, young GB's,etc,etc,etc.He tells us to train hard so your legs and lungs won't give out when you ran like hell from this beast aka (wbts...)

Bob....Training vary hard...some very good coaches here

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An Example of honesty wt Feb.2007

by bobld in

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the wbts has published many of these, where money is found and returned to the owner .with a reason,because i am a jw.in this issue,there is a big picture of nelma:a woman from chuzeiro do sul,brazil.she apparently found $1000.00 in the pockets of some trousers that were donated because of a flood.nelma returned the money to the businesswoman who had donated the clothing.this lady was overjoyed to receive the money,because she had set aside her payroll for her employees in a trouser pocket.. should they(gb/fds) be idolizing these honest people?.

note:no man should be idolized.christians should guard against idolatry.it means giving such a one a measure of worshipful devotion.but god explicitly stated that he does not tolerate such a thing.however,they (gb/fds) lack proper perspective,of knowledge and understanding of honest people helping people.it is as if by exalting a fellow human creature they are lifting themselves up also.. now here is an example from the world.. this is from a wordly newspaper.yes i know the wts says these are half truths.i will not quote the whole article.

"i am contacting your newspaper in the hope that i may be able to puplicly thank the good samaritans who helped me when my truck broke down on the highway just......on date.in my distress,i regrettably failed to get the name of this kind young man from...who went home to get a vehicle that could tow my vehicle back to the city.and than to top it off,drove me to get a room for the night.my thanks are also extended to the hotel owner to drove me to my truck.he gives more praise.......thank you for the opportunity to express my gratitude to all who assisted me to return home safely".

bobld

The WBTS has published many of these, where money is found and returned to the owner .With a reason,because I am a JW.In this issue,there is a big picture of NELMA:A woman from Chuzeiro do Sul,Brazil.She apparently found $1000.00 in the pockets of some trousers that were donated because of a flood.Nelma returned the money to the businesswoman who had donated the clothing.This lady was overjoyed to receive the money,because she had set aside her payroll for her employees in a trouser pocket.

SHOULD THEY(GB/FDS) BE IDOLIZING THESE HONEST PEOPLE?

NOTE:No man should be idolized.Christians should guard against idolatry.It means giving such a one a measure of worshipful devotion.But GOD explicitly stated that he does not tolerate such a thing.However,they (gb/fds) lack proper perspective,of knowledge and understanding of honest people helping people.It is as if by exalting a fellow human creature they are lifting themselves up also.

NOW HERE IS AN EXAMPLE FROM THE WORLD.

This is from a wordly newspaper.Yes I know the WTS says these are half truths.I will not quote the whole article."I am contacting your newspaper in the hope that I may be able to puplicly thank the Good Samaritans who helped me when my truck broke down on the Highway just......on date.In my distress,I regrettably failed to get the name of this kind young man from...who went home to get a vehicle that could tow my vehicle back to the city.and than to top it off,drove me to get a room for the night.My thanks are also extended to the hotel owner to drove me to my truck.He gives more praise.......Thank you for the opportunity to express my gratitude to all who assisted me to return home safely". THAT PERSON(S) ARE TRUE CHRISTIAN.Did they say to the truck driver do you know why I'am helping you?Did they ask for anything?They did it out of their heart and they never give the person their names because they did not want to be idolized.There are many examples like this and/or letters to the Editor.Just my litte rant on the wt.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-14-07 WT Study (Love Neighbor)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 01-14-07 wt study (december 1, 2006, pages 25-29)(love neighbor).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

bobld

Thanks,Blondie I enjoy your summary of the WT.you covered all my points.

The R&F will comment that their are good clean worldly people but we must avoid them,why because the GB/FDS aka dictator says so.

If GOD is impartial and loves all the people of the world which are his family.Why did he have the Israelites KILL their neighbor.

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Is the watchtower in the red or planning for something ?

by 5go in

it does but doesn't seem to be in trouble monetarialy.. what is going on.

are they ok but seeing the writing on the wall with lawsuit or something else.. or, are they broke and just hiding it..

bobld

Km Dec 2006.Question Box in part....Would it be appropriate to arrange yard sales or other fund-raising events to help the congregation........The 2 issue of the Wt August 1879,said about our refusal to imitate the churches and solicit funds:Zion's WT has,we beleive JEHOVAH for its backer,and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support......bah,bah.bah if god fails to provide necessary funds,we will understand it to be the time to suspend the publication.bah,bah,bahLet each one do just as he has resolved in his heart bah,bah GOD loves a cheerful giver...

Contributions are not solicited;neither are they given with the idea of obtaining something in return.the end.

So why do they request/demand funds by passing resolutions every six months.The resolution is in a form of a question, a vote is taken and also how many are present.Also it has to be passed and seconded.

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Watchtower never took preaching work seriously!!

by proplog2 in

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there has been a lot of discussion about the claim that the gb feel they have fullfilled their obligation to preach.. this would be no surprise.

jesus said if you want to really do what is right you need to sell your property and give to the poor.

and then... you could follow jesus.. after pentecost there was an arrangement where an individual could sell his property and give the proceeds to the apostles.

bobld

The GB/FDS say they follow J.C. ex, of going door to door and it still is the most effective way of making disciples.They get their slave drivers (d.o.,c.o,elders) to constantly hammer the R&F that this is the most important work.Also they lay the guilt trip that your life depends on it.When you work with these (R&F) in service they could care less about making disciples.If they were serious they would be out there every day skip coffee breaks and you would see results.It's a joke,if someone is interested in a bible study they try a pass it off to someone else.Look,if I was in marketing and spent all this money on training,meeting.C.A.,D.C. and sad's.I would expect results.They (GB) push hard but they are wasting their time.Which is ok for people of the world.Many here have mentioned there are more effective ways of preaching and I agree.

PS They like to use Jesus example of preaching yet they like to use modern conveniences ie computers,mp3,cars ,airplanes.Have you ever seen a GB come to a convention on a donkey.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-7-07 WT Study (Love God)

by blondie in

how, though, do we show our love for jehovah?.

how we show our love for jehovah.

q7, 8) how can we show our love for jehovah?.

bobld

Enjoyed great post.

Q12/Q14 God requires..Orders to do something.No human parents requires or wants that kind of love.

Q15 Read the bible..it teaches us about God.Let's see no bible for 2500 years of man's history,than in bits and peaces for 1600 years and written in such a way so no one could understand it, that we need a FDS to explain it.

Q16 Jesus ministry.He promised to bring an end to sicknes,sorrow and death.We have been waiting for almost 2000 years.Many promises,short on keeping them.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-31-06 WT Study (Discipline)

by blondie in

was he married to his own mother?

q1) why should we accept divine discipline?.

does that mean if a jw married their ex-stepmother or ex-stepfather today, they would be dfd?.

bobld

Very good analysis of wt.

Solomon.Do as I say not as I do.GB..do as we say not as we do.Holy Spirit must of left GB for their secret sins, ie. UN and other sins which we can't even fathom.Can you just imagine the comments at tomorrows study.YUCK,YUCK

bobld

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YOU "THINK" YOU KNOW.....BUT...YOU DON'T KNOW!!

by Terry in

the door to door work is a sham.. the central activity of the watchtower bible and tract society is not spreading their so-called "messege" about the kingdom of jehovah established in the heavens in 1914. that's a load of propaganda.. the door to door activity is feckless in producing converts.

in fact, it is an immense failure of mammoth proportions!.

but, it is a diversion.

bobld

Very good post.They truely are a rich corporation.Like any corporation they have down sized to max their profits ie layoffs at Bethels,shut down farms..imagine they can't produce their own food cheaply.Look at the cash they receive via Insurance,Bank Accounts,Real Estate Wills and Trusts,etc,etc If 6000 Willed their Estate of $1million,thats $6billion and 3 million give $1thousand that another $3 billion plus look at their grab at conventions.All their request for money at congregation meeting when they annouce their resolutions ever 6 months.I am not sure why they request for a vote and how many are in attendance.Maybe something to do with the law of the land.Take their Real Estate ..Take an Assembly Hall of 10 thousand SQ.FT.@ $100 per sq.ft.is $1 million that low.Look at all the Real Estate they have.The mags/book placement is pennies,but like they say, take care of the pennies and the dollars will look after themselves.I do not know what they do with all the money,but they sure are RICH,RICH.They have to push R&F for new suckers to hand over their money and the scheme has been working very good for them.Look, this Corporation has been successful for over a hundred years of brain washing people into their believe system.Some of us can see their scheme but can't get out because of family.I know this post is to long but it's therapy.

bobld