how qualified are members of the hospital liason committees to give advice to jws who need a blood transfusion and want to avoid having one?.
i always thought it was wrong for an unqualified person to give medical advice on something so important.. i also don't think that a window cleaner, bank clerk, solicitor, used car salesman etc, even if they have been on wtbts sponsored courses are qualified to give any medical advice at all under any circumstances and even psychological counselling should be way out of their reach.. quackery has always been a problem with the wtbts right from its inception and it still appears to continue.. so, do you think it is 'correct procedure' for the slaves of the watchtower, the elders, to advise people on medical or psychological problems and since this is what they do, should they be banned from attending hospitals where jws are in need of medical care to avoid their interfering with treatment and using coercion on patients?.
If, as has been suggested by others, the real heartbeat of the WT Society is to be a money-making organization, then one would think that hitting them where it hurts (in their pocket books) would lead to some prompt action. However, those who are blind and in bondage tend to be afraid of Big Brother.
I wonder if there have been any lawsuits over the blood issue? Any way to find this out? Where would the responsibility land--the elders, the HLC or further up the line in Brooklyn?
a couple of weeks ago i bought a new toilet seat.
hubby is supposed to install it, but hasn't yet.
i was looking at the instructions today to see how hard it would be for me to do (not very hard, all i needed was a screwdriver).. on the back of the packaging it said this seat was designed for your comfort and creativity.. that made me laugh!
No offense intended Greendawn--our posts must have crossed in cyber space!
a couple of weeks ago i bought a new toilet seat.
hubby is supposed to install it, but hasn't yet.
i was looking at the instructions today to see how hard it would be for me to do (not very hard, all i needed was a screwdriver).. on the back of the packaging it said this seat was designed for your comfort and creativity.. that made me laugh!
Sorry, girls, but if you have enough time to be creative, well, maybe you need some more fibre in your diet!
Perhaps they were trying to address the "creative home renovation" aspect of replacing a toilet seat?
so my mom gave my sister in law the "what does the bible really teach?
" filth and i'm trying to read it.
my sil (never a jw) wants me to help her in some kind of reply to my mom.
I feel your pain! We are working through the book with the locals. We manage to make it through a couple of paragraphs per session. Yes, I believe I was told by an elder that it was written at a elementary school grade level.
It depends on the motivation for the sister-in-law, does she want to plant seeds of doubt? Does she want to get into doctrinal discussions? She will need to be super-prepared! There are a couple of documents on the Web of how to use parts of the book to ask questions on the WT doctrines, and I think you can order a book that goes through chapter by chapter. Also "Reasoning From the Scriptures with the JWs" by Ron Rhodes gives a clear understanding of JW doctrine and a Christian response to the various teachings.
But it is a difficult road to travel, especially if your mom is closed minded about the org. But you never know if this could maybe lead to her having some second thoughts??
I'd say the sister-in-law should pray about it and then if she feels led to do it, Go For It! (But be prepared and have lots of support--check the Internet for ideas on witnessing to Witnesses).
When I was at Vicki's case in court I went up to him & said ""better than waiting on tables eh ??? That is what he used to do, he asked "were you at Bethel?" I replied YES!!!!! well I visited it a few times so I wasnt lying was I? Glen helped him become a Lawyer. he kept passing him peices of paper through out the whole case. SO added "I bet you wish that was money old Glens passes you ? "
Mouthy, you are so bad!!! You are certainly not afraid to call it how you see it, are you?
So, are the couple admitting to have used infertility treatments?
the argument that jws are the only religion that doesn't go in military service is one i hear frequently.
but is this really so does anyone know any other religion that doesn't go to war?
perhaps the mormons?
Don't forget about the Plymouth Brethren--I believe that some of the offshoots are similar to the JWs in their "do not be entangled by the world" approach.
i believe that i am experiencing a profound change in my personality, and those changes are at a stage where i have honestly contemplated this recently.
honestly.. i don't think i could ever do it - anyone who has followed me on the boards here know that i am neither suicidal nor an apologist for that lot.
yet, having been off work for a few weeks now with surgical recovery, i have had time to make assessment of my future.
Jeff: You are officially invited to Canada for a visit. We can do the apostate rounds and see Mouthy and the other find Canucks who are in this neck of the woods.
But as for sun, well, they do call this the Great White North for a reason!
All this shingle talk made me think of Habitat for Humanity. Do they have something like that where you live? That would be a neat volunteer opportunity, or what about the local Salvation Army. We (kids and I) handed out food and warm mittens/scarves with them near Christmas. It was a humbling experience, and made us realize how much we have that we take for granted. The other place that often welcomes volunteers is nursing homes. We take the kids and sing/chat with the residents.
Really, there are so many opportunities out there! Let us know what you come up with.
i believe that i am experiencing a profound change in my personality, and those changes are at a stage where i have honestly contemplated this recently.
honestly.. i don't think i could ever do it - anyone who has followed me on the boards here know that i am neither suicidal nor an apologist for that lot.
yet, having been off work for a few weeks now with surgical recovery, i have had time to make assessment of my future.
'Morning Jeff:
I hope this finds you in a better frame of mind? Sorry that you were feeling blue last night. Don't be surprised at being a human with emotional ups and downs. We are glad that you are able to post your feelings here, and it would be a sad sad day for me to find that you had re-entered the Watchtower.
I have found the following activities to bring alot of people into my life:
#1 Church: I know this is a tough one for ex-JWs, but this is where I receive alot of fellowship and nourishment (physical and spiritual! Hurray for potlucks!) Churches are often needing people to help in various ministries. I have taught Sunday School, worked in the nursery, been in Praise bands, been the librarian, been a part of/led Bible Studies, attended craft nights, gone on camping trips, manned tables at their Garage sales, made candy floss at the summer carnivals, washed dishes after family potlucks, etc.
#2 Community Service: I have been on a committee in my neighbourhood that helped to look after the local park, been a leader in an organization that helps new mothers and babies, joined a non-profit weight loss group.
#3 Kids Activities: I have met friends at homeschool meetings, libraries, soccer, dance, swimming, skating, art class, etc. etc.
#4 Ding dong, Avon calling: Yes I was the hateful Avon lady in my neighbourhood. Actually this was the way that I got to know my neighbours whenever we moved to a new spot. It forced me to go and meet people. I made some friends that way--I was a good salesperson and never pushy, always looking out for my customers best interests ("wait till next time, it is on sale then")
Jeff, all these activities have taken proactive effort on my part, but I consider my life and skills to have been enriched by them. However, I do have to say that of those friends that I can really count on, they have come from the first group. Despite church, denomination and location changes, they are the ones who stand by me.
What about starting up a cult exit support group? Or is there something you could do with your public speaking skills? I know you have mentioned before about going round to speak on the Watchtower. Why not go door-to-door and talk about the WT as a cult? It would be interesting to see people's reactions since most are annoyed by the JWs. Would they welcome some material to help them or arm them-, or what about a JWS DO NOT CALL sign (Mouthy has some of those).
Any one else with ideas?
Take care, Jeff,
TS
so, many of you have rightfully challenged my beliefs that standing firm and telling your families exactly what you feel about the wtbts won't work.... i submit that it doesn't work becasue we don't stand together!
if all of us would stand firm say what we know to be true, do it publically, and not back down then i guarentee you there are many in the congs that want out of this crap and their just too scared to do anything becasue they don't want to lose their families.
in my family there are many that call me privately and tell me they know the wt is a crock of shit but won't stand up against it!
My gutsy little mother refused to acknowledge the shunning of her family when she married my dad outside of her cult (not the JWs). Even though they crossed over to the other side of the street when they saw her coming, she just crossed over too. She would show up on their doorstep and refuse to leave until they had talked to her. She did not play their games. She pretended that everything was fine, even though they were treating her as a leper (that was their doctrinal position). Years later, when their eyes were finally opened, there was a great family reunion, and grandma and aunt confessed the torture they were under during this time. They loved my mom so much and yet were captive to men's rules.
My mother is obviously a very strong woman emotionally!
not sure i'm in the right section of the forum, but i thought i'd go where a ton of posters hang out.. can some one clerify for me and give me some experience notes about this subject that i came across on the net.. have jw's studied on jehovah being the grandfather and jesus being the father?
if so, where does this come from.
thanks!.
This concept was explained to me by a local JW and I was shocked to hear it. I said "Whoa! That sounds like heresy. Are you sure you aren't a Mormon? If Jehovah is Grandpa then who is Grandma?"
He looked at me very strangely indeed.
I often get that look from them.
