What does it matter if someone tells you that God loves you and yet you just don't feel loved and you don't see any evidence that he loves the world either?
AllTimeJeff
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I had an emotionally abusive and sometimes physically abusive father
by gubberningbody inhe is/was a big man, intelligent affable and charming at times and yet inconstant and scary at other times.. years later in explanation to me he said.... "you know i loved you.".
i said in reply:.
"what does that matter if i didn't feel loved?".
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I Was a Practicing Idiot
by AllTimeJeff inthe older i get, the more i see that the collective intelligence of people isn't too high.
i lump myself in on that.. when i first left, i was so conflicted.
do i try to help others by bringing down the wtbts?
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AllTimeJeff
Practice does make perfect, no?
JD, you would know......
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I Was a Practicing Idiot
by AllTimeJeff inthe older i get, the more i see that the collective intelligence of people isn't too high.
i lump myself in on that.. when i first left, i was so conflicted.
do i try to help others by bringing down the wtbts?
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AllTimeJeff
Party!!
(still learning how to do that one...) :-P
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Why I didnt left JW an dont plan to do so
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in another thread i wrote: i didn't left the jw's and don't plan to do so.
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AllTimeJeff
Sorry, I couldn't leave this alone, and as someone who did blow up the bridge, I want to comment on this.
"When reading some posts on this board, I’m getting the strong impression some people which left the JWs would be better off if they didn’t (at least not now). And some others give everyone new here the advice “get out out out, now now now” regardless of the personal situation of the individual. The hate for the WTS seems to be bigger than the concern for the troubled person."
Some people will not be better off being a JW or not. It's a false dichotemy to suggest that an unhappy person, or a person in an unhappy situation, will fix it simply by leaving JW's.
Same if you stay.
The fact is, if one as an adult chose to believe JW's and converted, you have/had issues.
If you choose to stay, it isn't because you believe it as the truth, right? Then I promise you one thing: Do what you want, but you die a little every day you have to pretend to be someone you are not.
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Why I didnt left JW an dont plan to do so
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in another thread i wrote: i didn't left the jw's and don't plan to do so.
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AllTimeJeff
There is no perfect way to leave. Once you learn JW's teach lies, the only reason to stay is for friends and family, but at what cost to yourself?
If you have negotiated that deal to stay, then that's fine. When I first left, I didn't understand faders, but I have a better handle on that now. There are days I wish I would have pretended so I could keep my friends. It's not an easy choice to make.
Having said that, I blew up the bridge back, because I knew that I would be tempted to go back, even to pretend so that I wouldn't be alone. I made myself choose to be alone rather then live in a way I didn't agree with. Pro's and con's to both.
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Deliberately pregnant to get disfellowshipped ...elder father offers 30K for baby!
by koolaid-man inwhat would you do to disconnect from the jehovah's witnesses?
some actually go as far as commiting a wrong to deliberately get disfellowshipped.. the disfellowshipping becomes their "ticket to ride" right out of the organization.
former jehovah's witness carrie was not happy growing up in the so called "truth".
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AllTimeJeff
"I'd also say it's rather respected by the ex-JW community and I'm routinely contacted as the trouble-shooter for tons of different issues. That being said I've got like a fraction of the views Rick's channel has and I doubt I even have close to the amount of viewers to my channel per day that Rick has listening to his weekly show".
Tuesday, there is no accounting for taste, don't let that get you down. If he is more concerned about his brand, then you know he doesn't care so much about the audience.
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I Was a Practicing Idiot
by AllTimeJeff inthe older i get, the more i see that the collective intelligence of people isn't too high.
i lump myself in on that.. when i first left, i was so conflicted.
do i try to help others by bringing down the wtbts?
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AllTimeJeff
The older I get, the more I see that the collective intelligence of people isn't too high. I lump myself in on that.
When I first left, I was so conflicted. Do I try to help others by bringing down the WTBTS? Well, that isn't happening. What about being a sort of online support? That's hard for me to do, and I probably am not too good at that.
I think the only thing I can really bring to the table is to just be honest.
For one thing, it seems like it will be a long time if ever before my life is completely free of the effects of being born and raised as a JW.
And, for the record, I did believe it for a while, esp. when it was convenient for me as I was climbing up the borg company ladder. My one saving grace is that the higher up you go, the more you see what the GB is all about for real, and I am proud of myself for leaving after I saw it. I don't beat myself up for that too much. I was a kid, then a young man who was lied to and taken advantage of.
I stand here before you all with nothing to show for my 20's, except that I had the dignity and respect for myself to not let them claim anymore of my life.
Was I an idiot in retrospect for believing it and being willing to turn off my brain? Yeah. I have to be honest. Also, I wanted to be the man. Da man!
The great thing though is, by being honest, I can also be the biggest threat to JW's, a practicing human being, with my brain turned on and engaged.
You know, you can try to bring down "the organization". You can try to expose what most people rightly just ignore.
This forum does more damage then probably most resources on the internet simply because it allows for the free exchange of ideas. Yeah, morons abound here too. Fundies and Ahab ex JW's are here trying to go about it the wrong way.
I should probably say that my efforts to just forget I was ever a JW for me wasn't the most productive way to deal with it. I think I will forever be a bit lonely for what I have had to amputate off. But, if everyone had my problems, the world would be a better place.
Anyway, I am in a good place right now, just with the scars to show where I have been, the experiences of a 60 year old to make me a little older then I should be.
One day, I will learn to lighten up and have some fun. Hopefully. In the meantime.......................
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Inactive (i.e. not reporting) witnesses won't survive armageddon
by Mickey mouse indid anyone else catch this in the talk at the convention 'are you behaving as kingdom citizen?'.
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AllTimeJeff
godrulz, some comments here make a good point. You don't know what you are talking about with former JW's when it comes to something like reporting time. The few people I talk to about my JW past just look at me cross eyed when I talk about "reporting your time".
With all respect, this topic is about something you don't understand. So shut up.
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Deliberately pregnant to get disfellowshipped ...elder father offers 30K for baby!
by koolaid-man inwhat would you do to disconnect from the jehovah's witnesses?
some actually go as far as commiting a wrong to deliberately get disfellowshipped.. the disfellowshipping becomes their "ticket to ride" right out of the organization.
former jehovah's witness carrie was not happy growing up in the so called "truth".
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AllTimeJeff
Rick, I am not going to follow you around here today, but I do want to say for the sake of anyone reading this, lurker, JW, whatever, that you in no way represent most people who leave JW's.
JW's and their leadership have legitimate issues with harboring pedophiles, lying about their history, claiming to predict the end of this system which means that at their essence, they are a false religion, sheisters who claim to be the one true religion.
Your current attempt at a story might be true, probably is, but what's the point? Do you not think that some father hasn't tried to buy their daughter's baby for religious or other reasons before?
This doesn't prove anything about JW's. Idiot father/daughter relationships litter history and various religions.
What it does say about you is that you are so intent on discrediting JW's, that you instead discredit yourself.
I went to Gilead class 119. I bring this only to say that I was an insider. I got to see the rot. I was lied to all my life, sure. I also believed it for a while and supported it. I am proud of myself for finally getting out, for having the courage to be honest and say "enough".
I also am honest enough to say that while JW's are populated with many mentally distressed people, most of them are well intentioned. Being well intentioned of course is not a virtue in of itself, which is why I write this to you Rick.
You may be well intentioned, but regretably, you are morphing into the same type of commentator like the writers of the WT. Low fact checking and a desire to be overly reliant on anecdotal evidence instead of reasonable arguments made. In other words, if the facts don't fit what you are looking for, you will go for the sensationalistic story to get the effect YOU want.
You are no more a champion of "truth" than the Governing Body is.
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Terrible Analogy at a Convention
by ApostateDance ini'd love to know what you guys think of this.
brother jackson (from the governing body) had this "neat" analogy at the very end of the convention.
he said; "what if you were watching a football game on tv, and it was the trojans against the fighting irish, and it's been a good game.
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AllTimeJeff
Loesch frequently talks about how violent and ungodly the NFL is. To the point when he does morning worship, he will mention it several times a year.
And Geoff Jackson takes one of the biggest oldest football rivalries in football, giving tacit approval for watching it...
... and twists it for an illustration. Oh well. If it made Loesch's ass pucker, that makes me happy.