Posts by AllTimeJeff

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Those who WERE or ARE Elders (Re: Molestation Coverup)

by dontplaceliterature in

i'd like to hear from those who are currently elders or were formerly elders on your honest feelings about the charges brought against the society and their general policy in handling these matters.

do you think that the society handles child abuse accusations fairly?

or, do you think their policy is abusive?

AllTimeJeff

Just to be on the record, my view is that the Legal Dept runs the whole thing on pedophiles, at the behest of the GB.

I was an elder and a Gilead grad. Got to spend a decent amount of time w eService Dept elders. All claims or anything hinting of pedophile/ sexual abuse gets directed immediately to Legal. From there, a LEGAL (read: CYA) plan is adopted.

FYI, I haven't changed my view at all since I left. I DFd a few, got to read all the letters and see first hand what the BORG is all about in these cases. it's all about them. They don't care about preventing pedophilia. They only care about dodging their ever apparent culpability over it.

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...My Vacation...

by OUTLAW in

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my vacation is over... .

............................ ...outlaw.

AllTimeJeff

Hey there dude! Great to see you. I just had two Corona's for me. Now I'll have to have two Corona's for you. Damn. ;)

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Why Doesn't the Governing Body Follow the Examples of the "Bible Writers"?

by AllTimeJeff in

the witnesses often claim that they are the true religion.

that there existence has fulfilled bible prophesy and bible chronology.

because the true religion should (in their own words) imitate exactly the candor of the bible writers who..... quote: *** ba p. 16 can this book be trusted?

AllTimeJeff

Hello all. I wrote this some years ago, and I think this to me still rings true. You can't be the "true" religion if you don't own up to your mistakes. JWs have never done this. Or I should say, the GB.

Not one "I'm sorry" to Candace Conti, Barbara Anderson, etc. No humility to see here. Nothing but a cult that loves their money more than the victims of their Ostrich like leadership.

Child abuse is not something the GB understands, or cares to.

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Some Brief Thoughts on Conti's Win against the WTBTS

by AllTimeJeff in

as a former elder who dealt with more than a few pedophiles, i want to express how happy i am for this victory.. for sure, it has to be viewed as a symbolic victory, and it in no way makes up for the pain of the tens of thousands of victims that have lost so much.. but nothing will change until it is exposed.

additionally, this kicks the gb where it hurts the most, in their over stuffed wallets.

while i still maintain that this will not in any way "bring down" this cult, it is my hope that the publicity will wake up the younger members, esp younger elders, and that the growth of this cult will stop.

AllTimeJeff

To clarify, it is symbolic because this will be appealed for years. But more important, this is the first case the WTBTS has ever lost, if memory serves.

Peace. For real.

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Some Brief Thoughts on Conti's Win against the WTBTS

by AllTimeJeff in

as a former elder who dealt with more than a few pedophiles, i want to express how happy i am for this victory.. for sure, it has to be viewed as a symbolic victory, and it in no way makes up for the pain of the tens of thousands of victims that have lost so much.. but nothing will change until it is exposed.

additionally, this kicks the gb where it hurts the most, in their over stuffed wallets.

while i still maintain that this will not in any way "bring down" this cult, it is my hope that the publicity will wake up the younger members, esp younger elders, and that the growth of this cult will stop.

AllTimeJeff

As a former elder who dealt with more than a few pedophiles, I want to express how happy I am for this victory.

For sure, it has to be viewed as a symbolic victory, and it in no way makes up for the pain of the tens of thousands of victims that have lost so much.

But nothing will change until it is exposed. Additionally, this kicks the GB where it hurts the most, in their over stuffed wallets.

While I still maintain that this will not in any way "bring down" this cult, it is my hope that the publicity will wake up the younger members, ESP younger elders, and that the growth of this cult will stop.

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Questions From Thinkers

by Perry in

how do you explain david's graphic portrayal of jesus' death by crucifixion (psalm 22) 1000 years before christ lived?.

how do you account for the odds (1 in 10 to the 157th power) that even just 48 (of 300) old testament prophecies were fulfilled in jesus christ?.

in what sense was jesus a "good man" if he was lying in his claim to be god?.

AllTimeJeff

Why are you feeding the martyr.

"DON'T FEED THE MARTYR"

Read Perry's older stuff. If you believe, fine. If you don't, fine. Same bullsh*t, different day.

Perry, what bothers me isn't your beliefs (different from facts for us thinkin folk). It is that you want to argue over shit you can't prove.

Big deal. I mean seriously. You talk about Jesus? Not here. No one has seen him yet.

You want to justify the claims of a book that is 2000 years old with one that is 3000? We need to get your kids and take them to safety!

Anyway, carry on. I'm sure my little rant will make you feel more persecuted. That's the point isn't it? Because if you are trying to point where Jesus is, you should try pointing in another direction.

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

AllTimeJeff

As I always like to point out, IF Jesus exists as god, he's really chill about people being themselves.

So many opinions, so little evidence, yet ALL of you are right. Right?

Riiight.

Still waiting for Jesus to do Perry's talking for him. ;)

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One Lord - One Savior : Get Used To It

by Perry in

jehovah in the old testament and jesus in the new testament are one and the same.. .

3. jehovah is salvation.

5. jehovah wants only himself to be worshipped.

AllTimeJeff

Well, that's good to know....

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Need some advice

by craigulous in

to all my new friends, i need some advice.

as i posted in my original post i am not disfellowshipped, i just did a fade as i believe everyone here calls it.

i have great parents who are still part of the organization, and do not pressure me, but at the same time i must live a lie, and they have no problem with me living a lie, as long as they are comfortable.

AllTimeJeff

Since you asked for opinions, I will give you mine. Please know I respect whatever difficult decision you feel you must make.

In short, I blew up the bridge, left my "cushy" JW position and family to find me and be me.

So guess what my advice is? :)

But we may not be alike. However, from the tone of your first post, I would 100% agree with your wife. She sounds wise. :)

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Reading is NOT Overrated!

by White Dove in

how do you read?.

i find myself attracted to certain authors and book series.. which reminds me, i need to download the grapes of wrath.. i love steinbeck's writing of historical fiction.

looking into the history of frontier america is so interesting when written in story form.. i read from most genres.. what's your poison?.

AllTimeJeff

I'm into a lot of self improvement books. They have improved my life immeasurably.