AllTimeJeff
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To All Our Canadian Friends
by AllTimeJeff inwhen you are done watching the opening ceremonies, come in and say hi.. hey outlaw, they are doing the prarie tribute as i write this.
hope you like joni mitchell.... ;).
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New BOE letter on inactive ones
by JWFreak inagain..please do not ask for a pdf scan as the only copies i have are the interbranch electronic copies from the us branch to our local branch.. .
november 3, 2009 .
to all bodies of elders .
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AllTimeJeff
Blondie
The COBOE (formerly the PO) has the discretion, if 2 elders he assigns discover wrongdoing on the part of a long time inactive publisher, to determine whether or not it needs to be handled judicially. Ditto for an active publisher who sinned a long time ago. The CO will discuss these cases with the PO, but usually, the CO won't get too involved unless something crazy went wrong....
Obviously, the long time inactive person would probably be more scrutinized, but I know of cases where nothing was done because of the length of time that had lapsed since the "sin".
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God and Suffering
by AK - Jeff ina few weeks back, in the midst of the haiti tragedy, much discussion took place in cyberland about the tolerance [or indeed the insistence on] suffering by a loving god.
the furor over haiti has settled a bit [as unfortunately most tragedy is wont to do far too quickly in the human mind], but this persistent matter continues to chew at my subconscience.
today i came across this:.
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AllTimeJeff
Happy Guy imo has hit on 2 very important points that aren't easily explained away. (hope you don't mind my agreement... ;)
God can't get out of his own way when it comes to his negligence regarding Eve in particular. That and the fact that the punishment didn't fit the crime (Don't eat from my tree, even if a talking snake tells you to, or I will kill YOU and all your CHILDREN!)
Again, the most logical explanation of course is that the Genesis account is total fiction, from the creative days to the talking snakes to the way too easily pissed off YHWH, to the flood... Everything seems, you know, exaggerated a teeny weenie bit?
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In Life or in Death, Your Legacy is Love
by AllTimeJeff inwhat would happen to those who know and love you if you died?.
would their grief be so immense that they couldn't go on?
would they want you back so much that they simply stopped living?.
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AllTimeJeff
Restrangled
Thanks for sharing that. I think that anyone, even JW's, would have to grudgingly admit that their death customs are odd, weird, or even more accurately, self servingly insensitive.
Some in my family struggled with how to deal with my brothers death. I know he wouldn't want us to be sad. He said as much a couple of times. His issues were his own.
It's great food for thought to me, that the golden rule can apply even in death. I want people to be happy and to be better off for knowing me. It's a great gift to give to your loved ones, and the world as a whole.
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New BOE letter on inactive ones
by JWFreak inagain..please do not ask for a pdf scan as the only copies i have are the interbranch electronic copies from the us branch to our local branch.. .
november 3, 2009 .
to all bodies of elders .
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AllTimeJeff
Shamus
The Service Committee would write a letter only if they found a serious sin committed "some time back" (probably several years) and were unsure if to prosecute it or to just consider it handled. This stems from the very odd caveat that if a publisher committed a potentially disfellowshipping offense years ago, then they might not have to handle it judicially, unless it bothers their conscience.
Which is why the GB likes to make everyone deal with an inordinate amount of guilt.
As far as I can tell, nothing has changed. Probably they want to stress the need to write the Service Dept if questions come up, thats all....
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Robert Pevy has died
by wobble inrobert pevy, who joined the editorial dept (formerly writing comm) some decades ago, and was chief writer of the infamous "revelation, its grand climax" book, has died.. apparently his grand opus was edited, because lloyd barry "did not like some of the explanations".
what i wonder is, were pevy's explanations more looney than what went in to the final draft?
love.
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AllTimeJeff
It's amaing to look at the people the GB trusts to write this shit.
In any case, may he RIP.
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New BOE letter on inactive ones
by JWFreak inagain..please do not ask for a pdf scan as the only copies i have are the interbranch electronic copies from the us branch to our local branch.. .
november 3, 2009 .
to all bodies of elders .
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AllTimeJeff
What would the Service Committee write? Here's a sample. (some humor attempted, but the overall flow would be as follows, since I was a SEC... this is how I would have written it...)
(on 2nd thought, a more serious answer is forthcoming.... I feel parody running through my veins....)
Dear Butt Munchers of the Serv Dept
Recently 2 elders who were not assigned visited an inactive couple baptized in 1974, who went inactive in 1981, reactivated in 1994, only to go inactive later after the generation teaching changed that year.
We have counseled these 2 elders for not following our local Service Committees arrangements for shepherding. Their recommended deletions are in a separate letter in this box we shipped Fed Ex. We are happy to report that we have met our quota of disfellowshipping three 15 year olds for admitting they masturbated.
In any case, we have a question about the on again off again couple the 2 idiot elders visited. When visited, they expressed deep doubts that this was gods organization. They specifically mentioned 1975, and all the changes in the meaning of the term "generation" since 1995, and wondered what that did to the teaching of 1914 as being significant.
We would like to disfellowship them as well, but wondered since they haven't been in a KH for 16 years now, are we allowed?
We are also positive that they must be sharing in some secret sin, like enjoying oral pleasure off each other. (gross!!) But we have no proof. We would like to ask (interrogate) a lot of questions, in order that Jehovah's clean organization can be freed of the filth that is their stenchy old publisher record cards that are always in the back of the file, making our statistics look bad for every CO's visit.
Please be assured that even if Jehovah were to change his name to Drago, we would always follow the Governing Body to the ends of the earth, or failing that, rural New York State.
Your brothers
The Service Committee That Kisses Butt Best
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To All Our Canadian Friends
by AllTimeJeff inwhen you are done watching the opening ceremonies, come in and say hi.. hey outlaw, they are doing the prarie tribute as i write this.
hope you like joni mitchell.... ;).
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AllTimeJeff
Outlaw, tonight, its Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. I am actually in a Labatt mood...
Shamus, you want a diaper? Thats an interesting fetish..... I will leave you to your own devices their....
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It makes better sense to worship RA
by AK - Jeff inthe sun provides clear benefits:.
photosynthesisweatherwater cyclewarmthin short - without the sun our planet would be a totally desolate, lifeless globe.
in fact, without the sun to orbit about, the planet would not be situated where it is in the universe at all.
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AllTimeJeff
Having been under 2 1/2 feet of snow for over a week now, I can happily support this, until June.... ;)
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New BOE letter on inactive ones
by JWFreak inagain..please do not ask for a pdf scan as the only copies i have are the interbranch electronic copies from the us branch to our local branch.. .
november 3, 2009 .
to all bodies of elders .
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AllTimeJeff
Whats interesting to me is the attempt to get those whom the GB feel have sinned, are staying away because they would rather not deal with a JC full of elders.
Then it says that the local elders will know best how to deal with the situation, and if there are questions, to write a letter to the Service Dept.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
I don't see anything new here per se. Maybe some legalistic phraseology is different. This letter doesn't offer an olive branch as far as I am concerned. It seems to assume a GB view that those who have left have left because they know they are sinners.
What they don't get is that many who leave don't want to come back and could care less. If there is one thing they seem to understand, is that "faders" esp don't want to sit in front of 3 elders, confess their sins, and hope that "holy spirit" operates in the cavity in their heads that should contain their brain.
Looks to me like the GB is groping in the dark once again.
