They can never have the correct understanding because they think Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE.
If you agree that it didn't, then how do you equate 2,520 days and 1914?
deaconbluez
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Generation problem is a self-inflicted wound
by Doug Mason inthere is no need to go to any university of higher education to solve the wtss problem with generation of matthew 24:34. it only needs a primary school certificate in plain reading.
in each of the nine times that the word generation appears in matthew, jesus is talking about the jewish people of his time.
read: matt 11:16; 12:39, 41, 42, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36; and 24:34. .
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Generation problem is a self-inflicted wound
by Doug Mason inthere is no need to go to any university of higher education to solve the wtss problem with generation of matthew 24:34. it only needs a primary school certificate in plain reading.
in each of the nine times that the word generation appears in matthew, jesus is talking about the jewish people of his time.
read: matt 11:16; 12:39, 41, 42, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36; and 24:34. .
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deaconbluez
They can never have the correct understanding because they think Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE.
If you agree that it didn't, then how do you equate 2,520 days and 1914?
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Doctorinal Question: JWs teach Jesus is Micheal the Arc Angel.....
by Lady Liberty indear friends,.
i have a question for you... the jws teach jesus is micheal the arc angel right?
so here is my question...according to the jws..is jesus a god or a angel??
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deaconbluez
There are five verses which mention Michael the archangel in the Holy Bible and the New World Translation, and none of these verses declare him to be Jesus. In Daniel 10:13 Michael is referred to as "one of the foremost princes". However, in Revelation 19:16, Jesus is referred to as "King of kings". Is a King not above a Prince? Jude 9 mentions that an archangel dare not bring accusation against the Devil. However, as we all know Jesus indeed rebuked the Devil when he said "Go away, Satan!" (Matt.4:10) How could Jesus rebuke the Devil but Michael could not? These scriptures alone are transparent evidence that Jesus is not Michael the archangel, he is indeed superior to the angels, and angels do not worship other angels, they worship God. (Hebrews 1:6) The only reason the Watchtower Society teaches this is to lessen the importance of Christ and his true deity.
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Another name to add to the list of things I've been called.
by TheSilence inat work tonight someone came in with a t-shirt that read in large, bold print on the back of his shirt, "muslims suck!
" as the manager on duty i had the enjoyable task of approaching this very reasonable (tongue in cheek) fellow and explaining to him that our policy did not allow for such t-shirts and he would, therefore, have to either turn it inside out so it couldn't be read or he would be asked to leave.
his reply, "you're a f***ing muslim loving b***h!".
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deaconbluez
He probably went home and enjoyed his hot pockets, then navigated his way through his trailer and collapsed in his bed full of beer bottles.
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Finally confronted my mother...
by Caedes ini finally had the chance to talk to my mum about growing up as a witness and my thoughts on her religion, needless to say it didn't go well.
i don't think she has ever really worked out the implications are of what she believes, i pointed out that it is really difficult to relate to (and have a relationship with) someone who is looking forward to the day when her murderous little god kills her children.
i don't think she really understood the point i was making or didn't want to think about the point i was making.
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deaconbluez
Sorry to hear that. My mom lashed out at me when I had this talk with her. Witnesses are implanted with a mental barrier by the organization and this barrier goes up anytime the conversation starts to challenge the current teachings of the organization. Once you start offering evidence that might disprove their teachings, they respond in a programmed way, to quickly shut the door of their mind to that evidence. Through that thought-control, the organization has been able to keep it's members enslaved since the presidency of Rutherford.
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Generation problem is a self-inflicted wound
by Doug Mason inthere is no need to go to any university of higher education to solve the wtss problem with generation of matthew 24:34. it only needs a primary school certificate in plain reading.
in each of the nine times that the word generation appears in matthew, jesus is talking about the jewish people of his time.
read: matt 11:16; 12:39, 41, 42, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36; and 24:34. .
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deaconbluez
"A day for a year, a day for a year, is what I have given you."
Okay. What are we to do with this? When is this applied?
"A day for a year" at Ezekiel chapter 4 wasn't in any way a measuring stick to be used for prophecy throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. God wanted Ezekiel to literally lay on his right side for 40 days, to symbolize the 40 years of Judah's iniquity. To apply that verse to anything else in the Bible is going beyond what is written.
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Generation problem is a self-inflicted wound
by Doug Mason inthere is no need to go to any university of higher education to solve the wtss problem with generation of matthew 24:34. it only needs a primary school certificate in plain reading.
in each of the nine times that the word generation appears in matthew, jesus is talking about the jewish people of his time.
read: matt 11:16; 12:39, 41, 42, 45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:36; and 24:34. .
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deaconbluez
With all due respect, LUKE's reference to the destruction of Jerusalem never mentions Daniel or the "great tribulation."
The great tribulation is a time of distress for the Jews like no other. It's a one-time event that would not happen until the "end times." Per Zech 13:8 this great tribulation would exterminate two-thirds of the Jewish population.
Further that generation specifically begins with a "world war." As noted, this and that war would not begin this generation. But when there was a world war, i.e. "nation vs nation and kingdom vs kingdom", that is when that "last generation" would begin. The "great tribulation" would end when the "appointed times of the nations" would end. Thus even in Luke when it prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem it notes that "Jerusalem would be trampled on until the appointed times of the nations" was completed. So the countdown to the last generation and the second was yet in the future, past the fall of Jerusalem.
The fact that the concept of the second coming would be far into the future is seen in the context of other scriptures. For instance, 1 Thess 4:15 shows that Christ would cause the first resurrection to take place when he arrives during the end times, but by then there would be two classes among Christians. Ones who had died and needed to be resurrected and some already alive. It was thus clear that many would die first before Christ returned, confirming that the second coming was well into the future of that present generation during Jesus' time.
Finally, there are three prophesies that specifically point to the YEAR of the second coming.
1) The 7 times prophecy establishes the second coming occurring 2520 years after the fall of Jerusalem.
2) The "1335 days" prophecy establishes the second coming 45 years after the restoration of the Jews to their homeland in 1947.
3) The second coming occurrs within a year of mid-70th-week of the last 490 years (1506-1996).
All the above point to 1992-1993. So the only thing we need to look at is whether or not 1992-1993 falls within a "generation", that is, 80 years, of a world war. WWI happened in 1914 so that generation would end in 1994. 1992-1993 occurs before 1994, so the prophecy of Christ coming within a generation of a world war was fulfilled.
JCanon, you can't be serious. There's nothing to even indicate that the "7 times" Daniel talked about was meant to have 2 fulfillments, nor is there anything to indicate that 7 times = 2,520 years. And we know that Jesus has not come back yet based on the physical evidence that would accompany him, according to Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
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607 BCE - Jehovah's Witnesses come out and Defend your Beliefs.
by KW13 inwhen was the end of the 70 years?
the bible clearly states that the end of the 70 years would be when the king of babylon (namely nebuchadnezzar) was called to account.
what date was this?
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deaconbluez
It's already expired, guys.
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607 BCE - Jehovah's Witnesses come out and Defend your Beliefs.
by KW13 inwhen was the end of the 70 years?
the bible clearly states that the end of the 70 years would be when the king of babylon (namely nebuchadnezzar) was called to account.
what date was this?
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deaconbluez
You are talking blatant nonsense. The Bible does not say that the 'calling to account' applies to the events of 539 BCE with the Fall of Babylon. This is impossible because Daniel discerned that the seventy years was at the time of writing Daniel 9:2 that the period was then yet unfulfilled. The seventy years ended only when the Jewish exiles returned home in 537 BCE. So, 539 is also impossible because 'the calling to account; which happened after 539 BCE was the desolation of Babylon which happened long after 539 BCE.
The seventy years beginning in 609 BCE is not widely accepted as others propose 605 BCE so there is no definitive event is mutually agreed for the beginning. Jeremiah describes the period as exile-servitude-desolation and could have begun when Nebuchadnezzer destroyed Jerusalem in his 18th regnal year in 607 BCE.
...probably the most dillusional post I've ever seen on JWD.
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607 BCE - Jehovah's Witnesses come out and Defend your Beliefs.
by KW13 inwhen was the end of the 70 years?
the bible clearly states that the end of the 70 years would be when the king of babylon (namely nebuchadnezzar) was called to account.
what date was this?
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deaconbluez
VM44, the Watchtower accepts Ptolemy's king list, and has published it ever since their teaching of Daniel's "7 times" prophecy being 2,520 years. That's what is so ironic: the same list shows Nebuchadnezzar's 19th year (year of Jerusalem's destruction) to be 587BCE. It's like the Watchtower doesn't expect the average JW to figure out the discrepency. Unfortunately, very few have.