Gayle

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  The numbers don't lie...or do they?

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  at a recent ca, the co was commending the r&f about mid-week meeting attendance.

  he said that it was up 4% since he first began working in our circuit.

  i was listening as some were patting each other on their backs about that at last nights meeting and it occurred to me that there were many empty seats.

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  Gayle

  just means CO was able to 'guilt' a couple to come while he was there, then after he left that week ,, they will continue to skip the meeting.

  The COs don't figure out how 'relieved' everyone is when he leaves.
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  Is This Current Governing Body As Bad As Previous Ones!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  or are they all the same?

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  Gayle

  Absolutely, Knorr & F. Franz created much control!!! Not to excuse Rutherford but . . Knorr and Franz could hide behind the "curtain" more, to create their seeming more mysterious in the minds of their followers. But now, with media and Internet, the GB are having to get more 'public.' Talks are more easily recorded and taped to be sent everywhere. This GB are stuck but playing it all they can, but are seeming to enjoy it.

  Worst JW behaviors were started and enforced by these two. Their cohorts only went along with them (as well as the rest of the org)

  'Official' Disfellowshipping started in the 50s. This "DF" thing gave them all power. (Although there were some individuals cases before, as Rutherford could/would ). From there, blood transfusions became DF offense (1961). Also, from there became the damn 2-witness rule, protecting child molestors. Families weren't suppose to associate with DF family then either (though some did anyway secretly, as many do even now).

  In those times (60s), became strong influence for no college. (it lightened up for awhile (after Knorr & Fred died) and came back as strong as ever).

  They enforced the common term, 'organization' to become "ORGANIZATION." - their god.
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  Pioneer Encouragement - "You can sit in the back room"

  by 4thgen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last night one of the pioneers stopped by on her way home from the pioneer meeting.

  she has always been very kind and i believe she is acted out of concern, however her visit was unsettling.

  she mentioned that all the pioneers were counseled to invite everyone they know inactive or those who has had life has got them down to come to (a special?

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  Gayle

  “Terrific, very happy.”

  Love this response,,they truly don't know how to respond to 'happiness.' Sometimes it even makes them angry.

  Anyway, their backroom is for the 'naughty.' Don't want to dress up? It's like you're second rate, so "sit in the back of the bus."
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  NEW BOE LETTER - It just got exponentially harder to "fade"

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is the text of the letter:.

  february 2, 2014. .

  your brothers,.

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  Gayle

  I am just not sure that the GB really understands how stressful it is to serve as an elder and hold down a full time job and handle everything else, especially if an elder is a family man.

  Please be assured the GB do not understand, and more, do not care to understand. Many elders are 'caving,' in exhaustion. Many of those that don't, then, many of their families are being effected too, with long-term negative side effects, on into another 'generation.'

  If 'elders' cannot speak up, then, who can or will?

  It is an organization tiring out.
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  Candace Conti

  by zebagain in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the case of cc v the wts and subsequent judgement against the wts would have to be the greatest boost for victims of paedophiles ever.. does anyone know the outcome of this case please?.

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  Gayle

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=A136641

  Five months - "Case on Conference List"

  So in review all that time. ??? I assume the judge(s) have been busy reviewing the documents. Guess, next to come up can be "Oral Arguments."
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  NEW BOE LETTER - It just got exponentially harder to "fade"

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is the text of the letter:.

  february 2, 2014. .

  your brothers,.

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  Gayle

  such programs can overly complicate matters.

  The WT "truth" is a "program." Complicates 'everything.'
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  FEWER NEW ZEALAND CITIZENS AFFILIATED WITH JWS IN 2013 THAN IN 1996: SUCCESSIVE YEARS OF DECREASE

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  fewer new zealand citizens affiliated as jws in 2013 than in 1996: over 15 years of successive decreases.

  the first table shows the new zealand census from 1976 to 2013. typically, numbers of citizens affiliated with the witnesses are higher than the number of active publishers because it includes children and those who are affiliated with the witnesses but who may not be active publishers.. of note, more citizens were recorded as affiliated with the witnesses in 1996 (19,527) than in 2013 (17,931).

  the decline in numbers affiliating with the witnesses in new zealand started in 2001 and has continued across two further census reports - so this is not just a temporary blip.

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  Gayle

  On the Census, does this mean possibly counting children, not publishing yet. I mean does the Census ask a household of JWs, which includes non-publishing that all are counted, even if there was an UBM, would be counted as a JW anyway.

  Maybe also, some tho not publishing the previous year, some may still wanted to be counted as so, maybe with intent to activate, or reactivate.

  Now, it indicates that less people if no longer active, have any intent of returning someday either, and don't want to be counted as JW at all.
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  War over preparing for WT study

  by cookiemaster in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i know that title sounds weird but so is this situation.

  with the following information i'm about to desconspire myself a little bit, but i don't really care since i will simply deny it if any of my elders are lurking here.

  anyway the situation is the following.

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  Gayle

  Isn't it cold and flu season? Maybe you could cancel thru the season?

  Does the org 'require' underlining answers? Is it a disfellowshipping or 'marking' offense! This is just too negative and insulting to bring into your home.

  Maybe you should set up a 'contribution' box for 'your' home expense!
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  Avoid or call them back?

  by Angus Beef in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  daughter missed a call from an elder tonight...we've missed meetings for about a month now.

  she is dating a worldly guy and i'm sure someone has seen them together.

  makes us nervous and with us being fairly new to the fading facet... should she call or avoid.

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  Gayle

  AVOID them> they have no authority over you> SINCE YOU are new to the fading<< allow yourself plenty more time.
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  Relocation of UK Bethel

  by krejames in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i heard a rumour that the uk hq is moving from mill hill in london to a location in essex near chelmsford.

  explanation being that it's closer to the transport networks.

  anyone know anymore?.

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  Gayle

  "We won't be knocking on people's doors, that's not the case, we're busy with other things," he said.

  "But we do organise tours to show people around the locations. As a charity relying on donations, Jehovah's Witnesses will come from all over Britain to see what their money is being spent on.

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  going to have a "hospital" ==??? for their elderly

  it’s going to be good fun.”