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  Australian animals and the flood

  by nvrgnbk in

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  how did the kangaroo, the koala bear, and the platypus get from noah's ark to australia?

  how did any animals get to australia for that matter?i know that this has been considered before but i just love asking jws this question.. nvr.

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  just asking what I consider pertinent questions deserving of a credible answer
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  The Watchtower justification for now allowing CIVILIAN SERVICE.

  by jwfacts in

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  2. scandals

  after tens of thousands of young witness men in the prime of their lives have spent years in jails for refusing civilian service in 1996 the watchtower decided such a choice was not unchristian and a matter of choice.

  watchtower 1996 may 1 p.20.

  what, though, if the state requires a christian for a period of time to perform civilian service that is a part of national service under a civilian administration?

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  I was wondering if someone could find an article with the following wording:

  “Feelings of Having Suffered Needlessly
  In the past, some Witnesses have suffered for refusing to share in an activity that their conscience now might permit. For example, this might have been their choice years ago as to certain types of blood fractions or organ transplant. A brother might now feel that he could conscientiously accept them.

  Was it unrighteous on Jehovah’s part to allow him to suffer (by maybe losing his child or one of his close relatives) for rejecting what he now might do without consequences? Most who have had that experience would not think so. Rather, they rejoice that they had the opportunity of demonstrating publicly (= die as martyrs) and clearly that they were determined to be firm on the issue of universal sovereignty.”

  As some of you mentioned it what gets me mad is the lack of apology (and yet there are articles reminding us of the importance of saying "I am sorry" when we make a mistake....).
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  Floyd Kite's "Enduring the Tests Within God's Organization" (1980)

  by Leolaia in

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  thats a big test.

  can you think of the test that that would put on gods people?

  its a big test, its a big test.

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  I have a copy of the talk on tape. like some of you I listened to it 10's of times. Great speaker indeed. about the content, it always depends from which side you look at it
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  Australian animals and the flood

  by nvrgnbk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how did the kangaroo, the koala bear, and the platypus get from noah's ark to australia?

  how did any animals get to australia for that matter?i know that this has been considered before but i just love asking jws this question.. nvr.

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  what about an animal like the yak that is designed to leave at high altitude (if I am not mistaken he cannot survive below 3000meters)?

  another question related to the flood. In the light of the great issues raised by Satan in Eden, Jehovah did not destroy the rebels allowing time to prove who was right. why then did he intervene by wiping out the whole humanity with the flood?
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  Does Knowing the Truth Make you a Happier person?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many of us who were once jehovah's witnesses had a measure of happiness in our lives.

  for me, i had a hope in the future, i had answers as to why we are all here, i believed in a loving god who looked after me and cared about me, i had answers to all of lifes big questions.. when i found out the truth about the witnesses, i was lost in a great big world and now had no answers other than the fact that what i once believed was "the truth" in actuality wasn't the truth.i now had to start all over in my search for truth.

  for me, it wasn't long before i found what i thought was the truth since i always believed in the bible.

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  If I learned nothing else from that hateful little sect, it is to NOT judge others.

  How true. we can never understand a situation unless we have lived it. and even under same circumsances other people may act differently with their sound motivations. judging others is a sign of a small mind.
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  Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

  "when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

  " it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

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  Nice to see you posting Ann.

  It looks like everything that at one time was sure is now not so certain anymore... the revelation book already needs a new update
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  Will we see the GB replace 1914 with a new date in the next 30 years?

  by nvrgnbk in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ray franz mentioned in crisis of conscience that in 1980 schroeder, klein, and suiter proposed changing the start of "this generation" from 1914 to 1957. as the "this generation" doctrine has since mysteriously morphed any date associated with it is moot.

  however, as time marches on without the developments anticipated by the gb may they again pick a new year, this time for the invisible enthronement of christ, in an attempt to buy time and regain credibility?

  what dates or historical events would be likely choices?

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  I would even think that the WT might quietly drop 607 BC while keeping 1914 without any other rationale. Just as it dropped the Great Pyramid and the former 606 BC figure which were its real calculation bases. And 1914 would just float on by being (1) the date of WWI and (2) "predicted 40 years in advance".

  Isn't it wonderful, brothers and sisters, that in spite of the errors of his well-meaning servants, Jehovah led his organisation to such an amazing knowledge?

  I'm not kidding. Should the WT do it tomorrow it would keep 99 % of its members. And the other 1 % it doesn't really care for.

  that is my thought as well. once I wrote to a pro-JW site asking some questions about 607bce and their answer basically was that even if 607 should be wrong, the evidence (favourite JW word ) is that the time of the end started in 1914....
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  There are JWs happy to be in that org

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we on this forum were all more or less unhappy with the wts for one reason or other and inevitably we left that religion which we consider to be in fact a cult.

  we can't understand or imagine how anyone could be happy living in that negative environment yet there seem to be quite a few dubs that are happy and content being jws.

  apart from the obvious ones eg those that have some status which gives them a sense of importance why do others feel happy being there?

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  They are continually told that they are the happiest people on earth, and if you tell a group of people something often enough, then the odds are that eventually some of them will believe it.

  true, but it is not the only thing. most JW I know are happy, friendly and cheerful people. It depends also on the congregations, I've seen some where everybody is happy and others where most are unhappy, I guess it has to do with the charisma of the leaders.
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  Australian animals and the flood

  by nvrgnbk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how did the kangaroo, the koala bear, and the platypus get from noah's ark to australia?

  how did any animals get to australia for that matter?i know that this has been considered before but i just love asking jws this question.. nvr.

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  Thanks for the link. Mario's one sharp dude. I can't believe(well,actually I can) the response from the big WT.

  I could not agree more.

  On a separate note, I had a look around his website and found some major flaws in an article he posted on pharmaceuticals and expiry dates (the article in itself is terrible, credible only for the naive), which again proves to me that we can't be masters of everything and should probably just focus on the things we know rather than quoting whatever we find around without properly checking it, just because it suits our thinking. I'll write to him about it.

  This quote he posted is superb (which incidentally confirms what I have just stated ):

  As is your sort of mind, so is your sort of search: You will find what you desire - Robert Browning (1812-1889)
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  The JWs compared to the early church

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jws claim to be an exact recreation of the early christian church yet this claim is very far from being genuine, in fact many experts in religion and the general feeling is that the dubs can barely be called christians.

  i give one reason why the early church was different: it had no centralised power structure, a gb with subject cos and dos checking on every congregation and reporting back to them.

  no gb that claimed to have a unique privilege of doctrine formulation and teaching at the exclusion of everyone else.

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  the question about early christians interests me a lot. do we really know how they were organised and what they believed? apart from the scriptures (which give limited information), is there any other sources that talk about the christians of the 1st century? I had a look at some books but most deal with later times.