Posts by jeanV

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Memorial 2007

by Ténébreux in

well i just got back from the memorial, after being dragged along somewhat reluctantly.

during the talk, one statement in particular caught my attention which i hadn't heard previously.

the speaker was explaining why probably no-one there should be partaking of the matzo and wine, because on the night of the passover jesus began selecting his 144000 heavenly co-rulers starting with the 11 apostles who were present - and that from then on, most of jesus' other followers just observed and did not partake, recognizing that they were of the earthly class.

jeanV

I should get the outline later this week. I'll let you know if there is anything of that sort in it.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-1-07 WT Study (RESPECT HUSBAND)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 04-01-07 wt study (february 15, 2007, pages 18-22)(respect husband).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

jeanV

thanks blondie. really a bad article, with just one interesting passage in paragraph 6

One writer noted: "The more we want to do something--whether it is to marry or scale a particular mountain--the more likely we are to make unchecked assumptions and pay attention only to the data that tells us what we want to hear." An irrational decision for a mountain climber may cost him his life; an unwise choice of a marriage mate can likewise be disastrous.

isn't that the way jw normally act?

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Phrases that control the mind and thinking

by Gill in

some of the words that i always look out for in watchtower literature are the following:.

without doubt...... evidently...... obviously....... we can conclude from this......... can you think of more?.

a lot has to be learnt from blondie's watchtower studies and some of it is that when the wt society has no evidence for a supposition it plants one of these phrases that suggest stupidity on the part of the reader if he/she doesn't agree with what idea the watchtower society has come up with!.

jeanV

great topic!

our Bible trained conscience...

lot of gems, the best one are those about the abundant evidence, and the experts.

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Do you think that "JW's" will get rid of the "Paradise earth" doctrine?

by booker-t in

jw
friends

with all of the changes regarding the 1935 closing of the heavenly calling that jw's taught for over 70 years what will be the next thing to go in their doctrinal system.

will they one day say"we were wrong the earth is going to burn up and all christians will go to heaven".

russell was right after all and yes the "great crowd" will indeed go to heaven.nothing suprises me anymore with the jw's.

jeanV

it is a key doctrine, so no way it will ever be abandoned.

btw years ago I was calling on a catholic man who also believed in paradise earth. He said that catholic church teaches immortal soul after we die and eventually resurrection on paradise earth.

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Do you think that "JW's" will get rid of the "Paradise earth" doctrine?

by booker-t in

jw
friends

with all of the changes regarding the 1935 closing of the heavenly calling that jw's taught for over 70 years what will be the next thing to go in their doctrinal system.

will they one day say"we were wrong the earth is going to burn up and all christians will go to heaven".

russell was right after all and yes the "great crowd" will indeed go to heaven.nothing suprises me anymore with the jw's.

jeanV

I"gnorance is Bliss", and all that

I agree, I was much happier when I was ignorant, believing Jerusalem was destroyed in 607, lions will eat straw, the flood was global, etc... Muslims are just as happy waiting for the virgins in paradise. Ignorance is truly bliss.

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Why I Stopped Apologising For The WTS

by NewWay in

why i stopped apologising for the watchtower society - part 1. .

in response to requests for information on why i stopped being an apologist for the organisation, i have decided to write the following article.

what is written is not meant to attack the beliefs of jws, but rather to show why i personally came to the conclusion that i could no longer support the organisation.

jeanV

Hi Gumb,

welcome back (I am new around here and in reading your first post in this thread, that I only later realised was started a few years back, I could identify some of the feelings that I am presently experiencing). I look forward to reading some more about your life experience.

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They question/analyze everything- except the Watchtower

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

many of you were probably the type to question everything or analyze everything, yet .

just accept whatever the wts says.

you broke out of that.

jeanV

All that, but I try to talk to her about 607 BCE or "This Generation" and 1975, other subjects
concerning the WTS, and she just shuts down. She sometimes disagrees with the general
directions from the WTS concerning education or setting career goals, but she says they have
a good reason for saying it that way. Several times, she asked me why I didn't comment at
the WT study, and I say that I didn't agree with the point being discussed. She just stops the
conversation.

it sounds so familiar....

a lot of good posts. I am with drew about fearing change. My wife has some doubts, I am positive but the defensive reaction is to try and discard them (I was doing the same in the past) or find a justification (the abused saying: we must be patient and rely on Jehovah).

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What Do YOU Think Is The BIGGEST Revelation That Has Gotten JWs Exposed???

by minimus in

jw
friends

for me, it was the un debacle.

their association and weak retreat was priceless.

after that, silentlambs ranks right up there.. of course, if it were not for ray franz, many of us would've never even thought about leaving!.

jeanV

chronology, everything falls apart without 607/1914.

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Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly in

watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

jeanV

just got the mag. Too early to hear any comments. I pointed out to someone that we will have to change the revelation book again. He had the reaction I would expect (the same way I would have reacted a few years ago), well summarised by the last few posts.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-25-07 WT Study (Husband Headship)

by blondie in

(1 peter 3:7) you husbands, continue dwelling in like manner with them according to knowledge, assigning them honor as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one, since you are also heirs with them of the undeserved favor of life, in order for your prayers not to be hindered.. .

*** w06 5/15 p. 32 the value of "a weaker vessel" ***.

13 husbands, show self-sacrificing love ***.

jeanV

thanks blondie!

In my experience, it was NOT tolerated.

Fortunately I have not been confronted with cases of physical abuse. I think psychological abuse is more widespread (and more difficult to prove). In most cases men get away with it quite easily.

When it comes to marital problems (I am not talking about abuse), I learnt that it is better to stay away (this is not my wish but the conclusion after several negative experiences). I have met couples that came to the elders when

a) they have already decided what to do and just wish to have some "moral" support for their decision (separation / divorce)

b) look for counsel they will not listen to

Whatever you say, if things go wrong (and in most cases they will go wrong) at least they will have someone else to blame (the elders) for their failure.