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  Is WTS chronology flawed?

  by cultswatter in

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  historians agree that jerusalem was invaded by babylon in 586/587bce.

  the wts discredits most historical records and says that jerusalem was invaded in 607bce.

  the wts start with 587 and add the 70 years that jerusalem lay desolate to obtain the 607 date.. if jerusalem was invaded in 587 then it lay desolate for only 50 years (587-537=50).

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  Doug I guess it is from "against Apion".

  Jeffro makes some interesting comments about the society claiming that to be a scribal error: http://jeffreyd.no-ip.com/wordpress/index.php/jehovahs-witnesses-and-1914/
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  Men vs Boys at the San Siro

  by needproof in

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  oh dear, doesn't look like it's going to be their night.

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  I think we watched a different game or maybe is just because I am a liverpool fan

  Chelski played with the sole objective of scoring on a break away. It is obvious that liverpool cannot attack their heads down. games nowdays are a lot about tactics (which ManU IMO failed miserably last night)

  anyway, chelski had one or two opportunities. liverpool had several ones (and a disallowed goal that I thought was legitimate). Physically chelski were stronger and the more time passed the more liverpool had to be careful not to lose silly balls. so yes, they played tactically well, but not to go to penalties, although they clearly were careful not to give the ball away. Rafa does not have the quality players of milan, manU or chelski so he has to make up for it with good team spirit and tactics.

  milan will likely win the final, but I hope not.
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  Is WTS chronology flawed?

  by cultswatter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  historians agree that jerusalem was invaded by babylon in 586/587bce.

  the wts discredits most historical records and says that jerusalem was invaded in 607bce.

  the wts start with 587 and add the 70 years that jerusalem lay desolate to obtain the 607 date.. if jerusalem was invaded in 587 then it lay desolate for only 50 years (587-537=50).

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  MAD, Neo Babylonian chronology is fixed.

  Cultswatter, COJ work, "Gentile Times Reconsidered" is a must read.

  I started a search like yours quite a while ago and contacted scholars and got plenty of books. I tried to make it independently so as not to have biased opinions. You quickly understand why the WTBTS basically avoids mentioning secular sources and, in recent publications, does not name the documents in favour of 587 (which they did in the appendix of Let Your Kingdom come). The evidence is so massive that anyone without prejudice cannot but conclude that 607 could not possibly be the year of Jerusalem's destruction.

  I strongly advise you to look at http://www.607v587.com/

  For a rebuttal of Furuli's work (JW apologist that published a book in favour of WT chronology, and will soon publish a second one) and other info on chronology look at: http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/english/epage.htm
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  Men vs Boys at the San Siro

  by needproof in

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  oh dear, doesn't look like it's going to be their night.

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  And if Liverpool play like they did last night I don't reckon their chances are much better in the final either!

  I think liverpool played a great game last night. Milan are favourites in the final (and they will be thirsty for revenge), but I hope liverpool will make it again. Rafa is great!
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-29-07 WT Study (ANGELS)

  by blondie in

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  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 04-29-07 wt study (march 15, 2007, pages 21-25)(angels).

  review comments will be in red.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  thanks blondie. I am with open mind on paragraph 16, drove me crazy for the 2nd time in a couple of weeks. the sad thing (and I'll never stress it enough) is that I used to believe it myself too
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  If a crystal ball would tell you the truth about any ONE Thing you......

  by new boy in

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  wished to know concerning yourself, life, the future, or anything else, what would you want to know?

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  4 with me.
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  Hard decisions of life....

  by metaspy in

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  hey all, here is a dillema that i am facing: .

  i have been trying to figure out whether i feel that this religion is true enough for me to remain in it.

  we must admit that there are some good things in the jw religion.

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  To lose her would be hard.

  I am sure it would be. I also know that if you decide to remain a JW chances of meeting someone that you believe matches you perfectly are not so high so I can understand that you do not want someone else to snag her.

  On the other hand, I think it is important that you first sort out what you want to do with religion. When I got married I was sure I would never leave the "truth". I am of a totally different opinion now, while my wife still believes JW's have the truth. I am not the only one on this board in a similar situation. Believe me, it is not nice.
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  Nine JW assumptions about 1914 and Daniel 4

  by a Christian in

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  i just sent this letter to a jw who came knocking on my door talking to me about 1914. i doubt it does him much good since he will probably not read it.

  first, you assume that when christ spoke of the the times of the gentiles he was referring to a period of time which began when jerusalem was destroyed by babylon and would end with his enthronement in heaven.

  ), the year in which the bible tells us that he destroyed jerusalem.

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  very good.

  You could have added that no other prophecy in Daniel had two fulfillments (at least not for the WTBTS). funny, no?

  It will be interesting to see with what he comes back, particularly with regard to 587 vs 607. There is plenty of evidence about 587 that you'll put him in a corner.
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  Any current Good Standing JW, posting here?

  by NotaNess in

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  2. experiences

  i was wondering if there are any current regular posters here that are still active , but are mentally inactive and don't believe all the bull anymore, and are just going through the motions to keep their life with friends and family together.. i realize this might be a posting that will probably get 0 replies, but.......

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  I just wonder if there is anyone from Bethel on here - or if their internet access is too closely monitored?

  I suppose they block access to certain sites. Monitoring is illegal in some countries (I guess most). Not that I doubt they would do it, but it could be costly. I am aware of cases of employees that got laid off for looking at porn sites, went into court and won.

  If any bethelites are posting I would be surprised if they would say it openly that they are bethelites.
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  1933 Letter from JW's to Hitler and Nazi Party

  by kwr in

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  2. scandals

  i was watching one of the extras on the knocking dvd and a woman commentator talked about a scandalous letter from the jw's to hitler and the nazi party in 1933. does anyone know where i can read this letter at?.

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  I WONDER WHAT WT WOULD DO IF COPIES OF THIS LETTER WERE DISTRIBUTED IN A PUBLIC PLACE OR EVEN DOOR-DOOR.

  IF WT DOESN'T SUE, IT MUST BE TRUE.

  I wonder if anyone has written to the WTBS about it. It would be interesting to read their reply.